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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by obriencp
Not trying to be disrespectful, but it seems Prax has a problem with everyone's oneness explanation. Can you share your explanation of oneness without having multiple 'persons,' personalities, or distinctions?
This thread is proven that even in oneness there is a lot of variance.
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Everyone's? no you are wrong. There are several here that we are in agreement.
BTW the person I was just speaking to/of ADMITTED to two persons. One God person and One Human person
How is that Oneness?
My "Oneness"?
there is One God. He is One Person. He has The Divine nature (that which makes Him God)
He became human by adding to His person Human qualities (that which makes a person "Human" or Human nature)
So that, as the Son, He was both God and Human, but as the Father He was just God
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 08:19 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Everyone's? no you are wrong. There are several here that we are in agreement.
BTW the person I was just speaking to/of ADMITTED to two persons. One God person and One Human person
How is that Oneness?
My "Oneness"?
there is One God. He is One Person. He has The Divine nature (that which makes Him God)
He became human by adding to His person Human qualities (that which makes a person "Human" or Human nature)
So that, as the Son, He was both God and Human, but as the Father He was just God
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ok, i was exaggerating when I said "everyone's" I meant no disrespect.
Thank you for your explanation. So when Jesus died on the cross did God forsake the human nature he took on and then 3 days later adjoin Himself to it again? We know God (or the Father) cannot die. Does that mean for 3 days there was 2 separate persons that later became one/singular again?
Honestly, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or add to confusion. It just seems as though both oneness and trinity camps have issues. I just wish we weren't so hard on each other.
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11-16-2014, 09:49 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
At 10 did you know "Person" in Heb 1 was not the right word?
Did you know conversation did not mean a dialog between two people? |
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Maybe not but I run into people all the time that have no idea about it
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How about this:
Eph 3 (ESV)
1 For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles—
2 assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was given to me for you
Eph 3 (KJV)
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: (this verse proves dispensationalism...slam dunk!!!...lol)
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11-16-2014, 04:22 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You have two persons.. Honestly nothing you said made sense to me.
One Person is a man but is also God. God (One person) became that man (*the other person)
God became two persons.
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God chose to elevate into His own nature the person of the man, Jesus Christ, at His conception. They are one.
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11-16-2014, 05:12 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by obriencp
ok, i was exaggerating when I said "everyone's" I meant no disrespect.
Thank you for your explanation. So when Jesus died on the cross did God forsake the human nature he took on and then 3 days later adjoin Himself to it again?
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I don't believe the Son was literally forsaken, at least not in the sense of any ontological separation. The words Jesus said were word for word what David said when his own country men and relatives turned on him. He felt betrayed, abandoned and so uttered those words from a deep emotional state of mind yet
Heb 13:5 Let your way of life be without the love of money, and be content with such things as you have, for He has said, "Not at all will I leave you, not at all will I forsake you, never!"
David said
Psa 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
David was not forsaken. Neither was Jesus. He FELT forsaken though. Hebrews says
Heb 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ (who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God) purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Till death God never left Christ
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We know God (or the Father) cannot die. Does that mean for 3 days there was 2 separate persons that later became one/singular again?
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Death does not mean ceasing to exist. It means the ceasation of physical life. Human Persons die when their bodies no longer sustain life. God (Person) died when His body could no longer sustain life.
His body lied in the grave 3 days. God never split into two persons
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 05:13 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
How about this:
Eph 3 (ESV)
1 For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles—
2 assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was given to me for you
Eph 3 (KJV)
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: (this verse proves dispensationalism...slam dunk!!!...lol) |
haha
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 05:14 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
God chose to elevate into His own nature the person of the man, Jesus Christ, at His conception. They are one.
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Two persons. The Person of the man and the Person of God with the second one becoming God at conception.
They are one what?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 06:13 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Everyone's? no you are wrong. There are several here that we are in agreement.
BTW the person I was just speaking to/of ADMITTED to two persons. One God person and One Human person
How is that Oneness?
My "Oneness"?
there is One God. He is One Person. He has The Divine nature (that which makes Him God)
He became human by adding to His person Human qualities (that which makes a person "Human" or Human nature)
So that, as the Son, He was both God and Human, but as the Father He was just God
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Added human qualities to his Divine nature? No way! He would have been no example to us had he been part God and part man.
As God he was God. As man he was man.
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11-16-2014, 06:16 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Added human qualities to his Divine nature?
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Thats not what I said. I said He added human qualities to HIS PERSON
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He became human by adding to His person Human qualities
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To HIS PERSON not "To His Divine nature"
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 06:18 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Added human qualities to his Divine nature? No way! He would have been no example to us had he been part God and part man.
As God he was God. As man he was man.
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I also never said he was PART anything. He was FULLY God and FULLY Human, meaning He had ALL the qualities of Humanity and Divinity
If you deny He was both God AND Man but just man, then I am correct in saying Unitarianism
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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