Revelation Chapters 21 and 22... later 19 and 20

Originally Posted by Revelationist

It's been requested that a thread on these chapters be started. So her it is.


Rev 21:1
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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The first verse starts out with a new heaven and a new earth. The first heaven and first earth were passed away.

To understand this, we have to go back to Pauls teaching.

2 Cor 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
KJV

We have no problem understanding that Paul was talking about becoming a new man in Christ.

Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
KJV

Gal 6:15
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
KJV

And that we become a new creature.

Acts 2:13
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
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We drink of the new wine.

But, we often over look the fact that "ALL" things become new. It stands to reason that the Heavens and Earth also become new if "ALL" things become new. In fact, it's a brand new world living for God.

Let me get this straight - you are saying that there is no literal future new heavens and new earth, and that the new heavens and the new earth refer to the new birth?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Religious Nut

Let me get this straight - you are saying that there is no literal future new heavens and new earth, and that the new heavens and the new earth refer to the new birth?

That is what they are saying they should have your forum name!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is what they are saying they should have your forum name!

No, that name beloings to the group that believes tweezers are the reason for Christ's plucked stubble. heh heh

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Religious Nut

Let me get this straight - you are saying that there is no literal future new heavens and new earth, and that the new heavens and the new earth refer to the new birth?

I believe the Word... and the Word says...

2 Cor 5:17

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

KJV

Does it not say "ALL THINGS" are become new? It's not what I'm saying, it's what the Word says...

Jerry Moon

Originally Posted by Revelationist

I believe the Word... and the Word says...

2 Cor 5:17

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

KJV

Does it not say "ALL THINGS" are become new? It's not what I'm saying, it's what the Word says...

Jerry Moon

I believe that in that passage, old things passing away refers to the remission of sins, and all things becoming new refers to the nature change that we recieve during the new birth. The notion that it refers to the new heavens and new earth shows no support from the context.

Secondly, consider the fact that similar languege in two places does not prove that those two passages mean the same thing. Both God and Abraham are our Father, but does that mean that God is Abraham? No! Likewise, I do not believe that Similar languege between Revelation 21 and passages dealing with the new birth mean that the new heavens and new earth is the new birth.

Thirdly, I believe that the Bible is real clear about there being a future new heavens and new earth in many places, such as 2 Peter 3:10-13.