Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
David Bernard seems to say Jesus has A Divine Spirit and a high man spirit..this full quote is confusing
Jesus possessed all elements of authentic humanity as originally created by God, without sin. Thus we can speak of Jesus as human in body, soul, spirit, mind, and will. (See Matthew 26:38; Luke 2:40; 22:42; 23:46; Philippians 2:5.) According to the flesh, Jesus was the biological descendant of Adam and Eve, Abraham, David, and Mary. (See Genesis 3:15; Romans 1:3; Galatians 3:16; Hebrews 2:14-17; 5:7-8.) We should not speak of two spirits in Jesus, however, but of one Spirit in which deity and humanity are joined.
Then certainly one could not say Jesus is a man. Rather he would be a Godman.
Unless some one can prove me wrong I will stick with modalism. In one mode of being Jesus is YHWH. In another mode of being he is man.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Tim. 2:5
We have the spirit of God in us and also the Holy Spirit.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom. 8:16
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
I think that we can all agree that the man, Jesus Christ, possessed a human center of self-conscious reality (self) through which He related to the Father in prayer, worship, adoration, and love.
In my opinion...
Trinitarians want to make this distinct human "self" a second "divine person" that pre-existed the incarnation.
Modalists want to make this distinct human "self" the same "self" as the Father, albeit existing in a distinct mode of existence.
I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
That is not what I said. Modalism is:
In one mode of being Jesus exists as God the Father. And yet in another mode of being he is the man Christ Jesus.
This is not just past tense to me. It is the present reality.
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Oh, and that collection of letters is also the Everlasting Father. A word. Is a father.
Mmmmkay.
That's cute!
Let's see. "...for there is none other NAME...". I know that there are many believers that think that God has, perhaps, a multitude of names: but I guess they must also believe that out of all those names, "...there is none other name..."! That doesn't make sense to me: that's way over my head. I guess I'm one of those men that could not even understand John3:3__ ":Except a man be born again, he cannot [see, perceive, discern, understand] the kingdom of God."
Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
That's cute!
Let's see. "...for there is none other NAME...". I know that there are many believers that think that God has, perhaps, a multitude of names: but I guess they must also believe that out of all those names, "...there is none other name..."! That doesn't make sense to me: that's way over my head. I guess I'm one of those men that could not even understand John3:3__ ":Except a man be born again, he cannot [see, perceive, discern, understand] the kingdom of God."
But thank you for your input.
No idea what you're trying to say.
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I see problems with both Trinitarianism and Modalism. One makes the "self" of Jesus Christ a second God... the other makes the "self" of Jesus Christ merely an illusion necessitated by mode as it relates to nature. Thus Jesus appears to be a distinct human person in relation to the Father... but He isn't.
That is a a fabrication Aquila. Oneness don't deny there is a real SELF. It's not an illusion. He is a Real PERSON. He just happens to be the same SELF as the Father but with His Human nature...or in other words functionally a Human being
Of course I explained that before and bumped it 4 times and you either never read it or just did not respond
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
With all due respect BrotherEastman, flesh does not die. It takes a person to die.
Sure flesh alone can die. Why not?
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