Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Abiding Now]

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

That's It! I could not take that oath: and I believe that was my last chance to
become President of the United States.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

That's It! I could not take that oath: and I believe that was my last chance to
become President of the United States.

Phoenix droppings don't explain the words of apostolic ministers.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Hypocrisy is a big claim.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Hypocrisy is a big claim.

The question was asked and answered. Now twice. I doubt I will get the same direct answer that I supplied.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

I'm a Texan and descended from an unbroken line of good christian klansmen. Why are you asking me about US citizenship as if I care what that oath says?

In your knee-trembling excitement to not answer the question about the god fearing 'anointed' apostolic minister you must have missed my answer. I am sure it was inadvertent. Here it is again, easily found in the previous post.

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

This does, I believe, follow your bible where similar circumstances were used as justification for telling untruths.

Your turn. Did this highly regarded apostolic minister sin when whipping up the cheering sheep by lying to them in this sermon or does he join the rest of them as the ends justifies the means? Was it sin to lie to congregations while declaring the catholic church as the kingdom of the beast followed by the USSR as the kingdom of the beast followed by the EU as the kingdom of the beast by other highly regarded ministers in this slice of the christian faith? Do any of you wonder what else you were lied to about or do you just cheer and clap like the sheep in the video clip do?

These are the questions you beat your kids for asking. Do you to answer.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I'm a Texan dude and descended from an unbroken line of good christian klansmen. Why are you asking me about US citizenship as if I care what that oath says?

In your knee-trembling excitement to not answer the question about the god fearing 'anointed' apostolic minister you must have missed my answer. I am sure it was inadvertent. Here it is again, easily found in the previous post.

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Your turn. Did this highly regarded apostolic minister sin when whipping up the cheering sheep by lying to them in this sermon or does he join the rest of them as the ends justifies the means? Was it sin to lie to congregations while declaring the catholic church as the kingdom of the beast followed by the USSR as the kingdom of the beast followed by the EU as the kingdom of the beast by other highly regarded ministers in this slice of the christian faith? Do any of you wonder what else you were lied to about or do you just cheer like sheep as those in the video clip do?

Sorry Mr. Texan, didn't mean to insult you. The question wasn't to a Texan, but a muslim that would be taking the Oath of Allegiance. BTW I did miss your original answer. Sorry. I went back and TRIED to make out the distorted link and couldn't really understand, so I guess I will just have to take a pass on your question.

PS Don't "beat: my kids.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sorry Mr. Texan, didn't mean to insult you. The question wasn't to a Texan, but a muslim that would be taking the Oath of Allegiance. BTW I did miss your original answer. Sorry. I went back and TRIED to make out the distorted link and couldn't really understand, so I guess I will just have to take a pass on your question.

PS Don't "beat: my kids.

Accepted.

I am sure you do not.