Obey them that have the rule over you

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"THEM" are they who have "...spoken unto you the word of God...". It is safe to assume
that it could be the Ministry or someone in the Church who performed "...the work of
the ministry". Paul declared, "I have begotten you through the gospel."

"RULE OVER" means those who have gone before, who has preceded you: who
have been saved before you and are mature in the faith and know how to perform
"...the work of the ministry".

Awesome. This is what we understood as well when we studied this passage out.

Obey
πείθω STRONG’S NUMBER: g3982
To persuade, particularly to move or affect by kind words or motives.

Obedience is unto their example, as in verse 7 mentioning "whose faith follow" not unto their person or desires. Their example is produced by the Holy Ghost, and so one's obedience would be to the Holy Ghost-- not to a particular man.

Rule over
ἡγέομαι STRONG’S NUMBER: g2233
To lead or go before, go first, lead the way.

Better said:
Be persuaded by the example of those who go before you


I had never heard it taught this way all the many, many years I was in OP churches though. We were to "obey" - meaning every little whim and wish of the pastor - because this verse was used as a stick to beat us with if we didn't.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Awesome. This is what we understood as well when we studied this passage out.
Obey
πείθω STRONG’S NUMBER: g3982
To persuade, particularly to move or affect by kind words or motives.
Obedience is unto their example, as in verse 7 mentioning "whose faith follow" not unto their person or desires. Their example is produced by the Holy Ghost, and so one's obedience would be to the Holy Ghost-- not to a particular man.
Rule over
ἡγέομαι STRONG’S NUMBER: g2233
To lead or go before, go first, lead the way.
Better said:
Be persuaded by the example of those who go before you

I had never heard it taught this way all the many, many years I was in OP churches though. We were to "obey" - meaning every little whim and wish of the pastor - because this verse was used as a stick to beat us with if we didn't.

We are to obey the word that comes through the anointing, whether by the Ministry
or the church; for therein lies the power. Now this is worth repeating: Power and
authority is manifest in direct proportion to the Ministry's or individual's OBEDIENCE
to the Word.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

We are to obey the word that comes through the anointing, whether by the Ministry
or the church; for therein lies the power. Now this is worth repeating:

Power and authority is manifest in direct proportion to the Ministry's or individual's OBEDIENCE to the Word.

I agree to a point here. But here is a thought for consideration - what about this scripture?

Matt. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These are people who did great works in the name of the Lord, obviously with great power and authority, yet the Lord says unto them - depart from me, I never knew you?

How do you reconcile this scripture with your bolded statement above?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree to a point here. But here is a thought for consideration - what about this scripture?

Matt. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These are people who did great works in the name of the Lord, obviously with great power and authority, yet the Lord says unto them - depart from me, I never knew you?

How do you reconcile this scripture with your bolded statement above?

Everything must be judged by the Word. The Didache says to receive prophets ... unless they ask for some money. lol

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Everything must be judged by the Word. The Didache says to receive prophets ... unless they ask for some money. lol

LOL... I wouldn't begrudge giving to those who are truly laboring in the gospel, and don't. We give where there are needs that need to be met, wherever they are. It gives us great joy to give.

There is not a modern day minister that I know of who has not - at least at one point in their ministry - asked for money. Do you know of one? Lol

We don't find record of Paul raising money for his missionary trips, but we do see him writing of the need of the persecuted saints in Jerusalem for which he took up a collection for to bring to them.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree to a point here. But here is a thought for consideration - what about this scripture?
Matt. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These are people who did great works in the name of the Lord, obviously with great power and authority, yet the Lord says unto them - depart from me, I never knew you?
How do you reconcile this scripture with your bolded statement above?

OK. Let’s put our emphasis on the words in bold, not detracting from
the content or
the Biblical context.

v. 21) Many will call Him “Lord”, only giving Him lip service. Those
who hear and obey will inherit God’s kingdom.
[Hear what?] Hear the call to repent and heed the gospel that saves:
THAT is the will of the Father;

v. 22) “There is none other NAME…”. There is power in the NAME
of Jesus! The power is not in the person or the denomination: it is in the NAME.
Using the power of the NAME does not mean the person is right: it means the
person is using the right NAME!
“But why were they healed, delivered, etc.?” Because God honors the NAME
and testifies of the power and righteousness endowed to the bearer of the NAME!
These are people who believe, but have not obeyed: they are in rebellion
with the word of God;

v. 23) There was no “intimacy” with the Lord. Adam“knew” Eve:
he had an intimate relationship with her. There is something above
all else that hinders intimacy with God: it is disobedience: it will manifest
itself in the refusal to repent, be baptized, or receive the impartation
of the Holy Spirit.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

OK. Let’s put our emphasis on the words in bold, not detracting from
the content or
the Biblical context.

v. 21) Many will call Him “Lord”, only giving Him lip service. Those
who hear and obey will inherit God’s kingdom.
[Hear what?] Hear the call to repent and heed the gospel that saves:
THAT is the will of the Father;

v. 22) “There is none other NAME…”. There is power in the NAME
of Jesus! The power is not in the person or the denomination: it is in the NAME.
Using the power of the NAME does not mean the person is right: it means the
person is using the right NAME!
“But why were they healed, delivered, etc.?” Because God honors the NAME
and testifies of the power and righteousness endowed to the bearer of the NAME!
These are people who believe, but have not obeyed: they are in rebellion
with the word of God;

v. 23) There was no “intimacy” with the Lord. Adam“knew” Eve:
he had an intimate relationship with her. There is something above
all else that hinders intimacy with God: it is disobedience: it will manifest
itself in the refusal to repent, be baptized, or receive the impartation
of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you for taking the time to share your understanding of this verse. It is what I have understood it to mean as well. It is good for all of us to understand that just because we witness power, miracles, and authority using the name of Jesus does not immediately signify that the one being used of God is actually in submission to the Lord, and is in right standing with the Lord.