Dave Bernard addresses beards

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The ladies in our church if they are going to be on the platform I want their hair up and the men to wear ties. There is no scriptural command for either but to me it looks nicer so they do it.

Am I a cultist if I:

Tell folks to turn to page 95 in the song book?
Tell folks we will have a prayer meeting on Monday night?
Tell folks we are having a workday Saturday and I want them there?
Tell folks service begins at 6 on Sunday Night?
Tell folks bring some visitors?

And the list goes on.

I am a leader that is what I do is to lead. Why is it only in church are leaders seen as cult leaders if they actually lead and expect folks to follow?

Elder, I know people will probably attack me for saying this, but you have my utmost respect for how you handle the sheep God has entrusted to you. God bless you sir!

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Elder, I know people will probably attack me for saying this, but you have my utmost respect for how you handle the sheep God has entrusted to you. God bless you sir!

ATTACK ATTACK!!! : ATTACK ATTACK!!!!

:thwa k

[Steve Epley]

The most important underlying principle here is a simple thing called LOVE. It is hard for many libs to consider that what they percieve as a hardnose domineering ultra-con has or receives love. I dearly love the assembly I have been placed over by the Lord. The saints know I love them and it may be hard to understand they love me. If you asked them if I was hard nosed they would laugh out loud. Some no doubt think I should crack the whip more. I am not a whip cracker but when I do have to which is not very often yes they do know it has been cracked. But on this facial hair business I have NOT said:
1. It is a sin.............sin is a transgression of the law.
2. That someone will go to Hell for wearing it.

However in this assembly where I have been given charge I have made the decision which is in line with Apostolic precedent since the 60's that facial hair is NOT allowed on members and there it stands. I just think if the ladies are going to bear the cross of their appearance surely it does not hurt a man to shave.
A side note I have noticed many men when they backslide from Pentecostal churches one of the first things they do is to grow facial hair so to my simple mind that is telling.
However godly men such as Bishop Haywood & Bishop Johnson wore facial hair and I have no doubt to see them in Heaven. Of course both died before the 60's revolution.
I am amazed my lib comrades have come to my defence but though we disagree on most standards stuff they do understand the principle of leadership in society at large not just in the church. Leaders have to lead.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

However in this assembly where I have been given charge I have made the decision which is in line with Apostolic precedent since the 60's that facial hair is NOT allowed on members and there it stands.

The thing is, Bro Epley, that it is archaic to think that way today, over 40 years after the fact. It reminds me of the archaic silly laws that still exist in some cities, such as how someone will go to jail if they leave their cow sitting in the horse's water trough by the saloon. This is what got the Amish where they are today.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The thing is, Bro Epley, that it is archaic to think that way today, over 40 years after the fact. It reminds me of the archaic silly laws that still exist in some cities, such as how someone will go to jail if they leave their cow sitting in the horse's water trough by the saloon. This is what got the Amish where they are today.

Elder Blume some of us are rooted in the past and wish we could have stayed there so we are taking it with us and make no apologies for it. Archaic it might be I will not argue but there am I ole archaic me. And I am happily archaic. I have not been impressed with very many so-called progressives in the last 40 years. Their path is not desirable to me. We speak a different language only a few words are the same. Dialouge is difficult at best. You know when the temple was built the young men shouted for joy because they had not seen Solomon's temple in it's beauty but the old men wept they remembered.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume some of us are rooted in the past and wish we could have stayed there so we are taking it with us and make no apologies for it.

Whatever floats your boat. I am just saying that there comes a time when a time-limited issue that no longer applies to today shoudl be dropped. After all, men stopped wearing robes a long time ago.

Archaic it might be I will not argue but there am I ole archaic me. And I am happily archaic. I have not been impressed with very many so-called progressives in the last 40 years.

The same could be said by a robe-wearing monk.

Their path is not desirable to me. We speak a different language only a few words are the same. Dialouge is difficult at best. You know when the temple was built the young men shouted for joy because they had not seen Solomon's temple in it's beauty but the old men wept they remembered.

I cannot see any comparison with a little ruling that is outdated since it revolved around hippies where about one can only be found today wrinkled up and in a corner of a little tavern ever 500 miles apart.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Elder Epley

Archaic it might be I will not argue but there am I ole archaic me. And I am happily archaic. I have not been impressed with very many so-called progressives in the last 40 years.

Brother, thinking of this statement and the thought that beards were rejected for Christian men because hippies on the 60's wore them, makes one realize they are nothing similar. It is not the same as wanting the "good old days" when things were milder compared to today, when you maintain an outdated ruling that does not apply today.

Like I said, there are silly laws in existence such as something similar to jail for those who leaves their cows in Main Street's horse water trough. The laws do not aply since nobody uses horses on Main Street, and there are no watering troughs for horses on Main Street. That is the same thing as a rule that beards associate one with Hippies of the sixties. That is not the same as simply wanting the good old days.

The nature of the progress in our day has nothing to do with the fact that the ruling against beards cannot apply to today due to the non-existence of the conditions that were the reasons the ruling was concocted.

They preached against nylons without seams years ago as well. What if someone still held onto that standard? Same thing!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume some of us are rooted in the past and wish we could have stayed there so we are taking it with us and make no apologies for it. Archaic it might be I will not argue but there am I ole archaic me. And I am happily archaic. I have not been impressed with very many so-called progressives in the last 40 years. Their path is not desirable to me. We speak a different language only a few words are the same. Dialouge is difficult at best. You know when the temple was built the young men shouted for joy because they had not seen Solomon's temple in it's beauty but the old men wept they remembered.

There's an ancient tradition that I cling to, too! It is this:

Things Change

From the beginning of time, fashions have been changing, architecture, language and idiom, customs, technologies, etc. Change can be a good thing. Some changes are worth resisting, of course, but some just aren't worth fussing about.

[dllong]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume some of us are rooted in the past and wish we could have stayed there so we are taking it with us and make no apologies for it. Archaic it might be I will not argue but there am I ole archaic me. And I am happily archaic. I have not been impressed with very many so-called progressives in the last 40 years. Their path is not desirable to me. We speak a different language only a few words are the same. Dialouge is difficult at best. You know when the temple was built the young men shouted for joy because they had not seen Solomon's temple in it's beauty but the old men wept they remembered.

Yet, a computer is no problem for you brother?

Bro. Dave

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by dllong

Yet, a computer is no problem for you brother?

Bro. Dave

Right!

The good old days had no internet. Dan Mena, here in Canada, would think Bro Epley's backslidden for using a computer, let alone the net!