Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I sure hope there are thousands. Otherwise, that's a pretty high murder rate compared to say your hero Jindal's murder rate of 10.8/100,000 (#1 top state 2013 yayyyyyyyy). So "Holy Cow" if there are 150 dead children among just a few thousand religious fundamentalist fanatic homeschoolers. You need to dilute that 150 among 1.3 million to achieve Jindal's murder rate.

That child was not shot in a war zone, nor was he shot inside Israeli borders.

LOL who's showing bitterness? I am showing you specific examples of people who are associated with your specific set of religious beliefs who interpreted those beliefs differently than you interpret them resulting in murder and torture then I am directly associating you with those actions because you are affiliated with exactly the same organizations that practiced them.

Reworded: Since that is your religious denomination, and they did it, then you are as guilty as they are. That makes you no better and no different than the worst of them, unless of course you want to volunteer to reject your faith for another. These are the rules of this thread, I accept and follow them, and expect all of you to follow them as well. I did not set these rules but I am highly amused at them.

WAIT ??Unless this is yet ANOTHER one of your "hypocritical zones"??

You seem mad. All that spitting tsk tsk. That would get someone belted but good in a fundamentalist god-fearing bible-believing homeschooling family.

Might get someone chained to something, or starved, or locked in a small space. We should look at some more of those stories and see what something like that WOULD earn a helpless kid.........

What you are trying to convey, in bold, isn't going to work. The largest majority of Christianity and even in the same ranks don't condone abusive actions. If that were not true, I would have, in my 30 years in this same faith, been aware of said abuse. I am not aware.

Your faith, on the other hand, doesn't speak out in a show of unity against the atrocities under what you want to term as a "guise" of Islam. Because of that, we cannot believe there is a untied outcry.

Your attempt to categorize the argument as the same is not the same.

[shazeep]

well, but they're tryna sell you frozen or canned!

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Your faith, on the other hand, doesn't speak out in a show of unity against the atrocities under what you want to term as a "guise" of Islam. Because of that, we cannot believe there is a untied outcry.

Um, who is this "we" you speak of? And I'm curious how you might know--or not know--if the entire Muslim faith did speak out against some atrocity?

You are, wadr, pointing fingers at apostates a half-world away as your country burns to the ground--debt 105% of gdp, and calling Russian bonds "junk," i see a parallel here; and because of this, please understand that it makes it hard for us to see what the point is here.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What you are trying to convey, in bold, isn't going to work. The largest majority of Christianity and even in the same ranks don't condone abusive actions. If that were not true, I would have, in my 30 years in this same faith, been aware of said abuse. I am not aware.

Your faith, on the other hand, doesn't speak out in a show of unity against the atrocities under what you want to term as a "guise" of Islam. Because of that, we cannot believe there is a untied outcry.

Your attempt to categorize the argument as the same is not the same.

Excellent. You're probably right. However send me the link to the place where all of you stood up as a wall against the referenced practices. I promise to open this imaginary link.

Naturally and of course if you cannot demonstrate it then it never happened and you may return to your world of hypocracy and double standards. Otherwise I am on record as to my view of those who practice violence in the name of my beliefs. Go.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Excellent. You're probably right. However send me the link to the place where all of you stood up as a wall against the referenced practices. I promise to open this imaginary link.

Naturally and of course if you cannot demonstrate it then it never happened and you may return to your world of hypocracy and double standards. Otherwise I am on record as to my view of those who practice violence in the name of my beliefs. Go.

On record here, under you screen name? Or on record somewhere under your real name?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

On record here, under you screen name? Or on record somewhere under your real name?

Is the information on that requested stand by the UPC against frenzied child beating and torture in the name of Jesus somewhere up in that post?

So of course you are "unaware" of these practices within your ranks. It's normal for a teenager to weigh 50, 60 lbs right? LOL

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/kingw...c5105d252.html

My formal position.

Hopefully your avoidance of links does not include houstonnews.com

You can probably catch it on TV if that won't "send you to hell" to watch it

“We strongly condemn this brutal attack and we offer our condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured,” said Mustafaa Carroll, CAIR-TX, Houston Executive Director. “We at CAIR’s Houston office reject assaults on free speech, even speech that mocks religions or religious figures. We hope that the perpetrators are quickly apprehended and punished to the full extent of the law.”

Our formal position.

US Muslim Religious Council’s Fatwa Against Terrorism


By the Fiqh Council of North America

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful

The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam’s absolute condemnation of terrorism and religious extremism.

Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden – and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not “martyrs.”

The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states:


Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.

Qur’an 5:32
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Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said there is no excuse for committing unjust acts:


Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.

Al- Tirmidhi
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God mandates moderation in faith and in all aspects of life when He states in the Qur’an:


We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind.”

Qur’an 2:143
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In another verse, God explains our duties as human beings when He says:


Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil.

Qur’an 3:104
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Islam teaches us to act in a caring manner to all of God’s creation. The Prophet Muhammad, who is described in the Qur’an as “a mercy to the worlds,” said:


All creation is the family of God, and the person most beloved by God (is the one) who is kind and caring toward His family.
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In the light of the teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah we clearly and strongly state:

1.All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam.
2.It is haram for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence.
3.It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians.

We issue this fatwa following the guidance of our scripture, the Qur’an, and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad – peace be upon him. We urge all people to resolve all conflicts in just and peaceful manners.

We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism. We pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States , and its people. We pray for the safety and security of all inhabitants of our planet. We pray that interfaith harmony and cooperation prevail both in the United States and all around the globe.

Moving away from the US:

Resolution 239 dated 27 Rabi al-Thani 1431 H [April 12, 2010]


All Praise to Allah, the Lord of the world; and May peace and prayers be upon our Prophet and his family and companions; and thus:

The Council of Senior Ulema [Council of Senior Scholars] in its twentieth extraordinary session help in Riyadh, Saturday 25 Rabi al-Thani 1431 H [10 April 2010], refers to its previous decisions and statements concerning crimes committed by the corrupters on earth by undermining the security and causing grave violations of sanctity in Muslim and other countries, such as the decision of 12 Muharram 1409 H [25 August 1988] and the statements of 22 Jumada al-Thani 1416 H [16 November 1995]; 13 Safar 1417 H [30 June 1996]; 14 Jumada al-Thani 1424 H [12 August 2003].

The Council considers the ruling on the “financing of terrorism” by judging that “terrorism” is a crime aiming at destabilizing security, and constitutes a grave offense against innocent lives as well as against properties whether public or private; such as: blowing up of dwellings, schools, hospitals, factories, bridges; airplanes (including hijacking), oil and pipelines, or any similar acts of destruction or subversion outlawed by the Islamic Shariah [law]. It also regards the financing of such terrorist acts as a form of complicity to these acts that leads only to bring accessory to them, and to bring a conduit for sustaining and spreading of such evil acts.

The Council also looked into textual evidences from the Qur’an, the Sunnah (sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad) and the rules of Shariah that “incriminate the financing of terrorism”. Of these evidences are the Sayings of the Almighty: “…and help you one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. [Surah Al-Ma’idah, verse 2]. He also Said: And of mankind there is he whose speech may please you, in this worldly life, and he calls Allah to witness as to that which is in his heart, yet he is the most quarrelsome of the opponents. And when he turns away, his effort in the land is to make mischief therein and to destroy the crops and the cattle, and Allah likes not mischief.” [Surah Al-Baqarah, verses 204-205]. He, the Almighty, also said: “And do not do mischief on earth after it has been set in order.” [Surah Al-A’raf, verse 56]

Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar, may Allah have mercy on him, said in Fath al-Bari: “the perpetrator and the one who provides cover for him are equal in sin.”

Furthermore, it is the established rules of Islamic Shariah: for the means is the ruling of ends. Add to this ruling the general Shariah provisions for safeguarding and protecting rights, vows and commitments in Islamic or other countries.

Thus, the Council rules that the financing of terrorism; the inception, help or attempt to commit a terrorist act whatever kind or dimension is forbidden by Islamic Shariah and constitutes a punishable crime thereby; this includes gathering or providing of finance for that end, or providing help or participating in it in any form or manner including financial or non-financial assets, regardless whether these assets are originated from legal or illegal sources.

He who committees such a crime intentionally, commits a forbidden act, and has been in a flagrant violation of Shariah that call for a punishment according to its law.

The Council also affirms that the incrimination of the financing of terrorism does not extend to ways of supporting legitimate charity to help the poor people and alleviate their sufferings, or pay for their treatment and education, hence, this Allah ruling on the money of the rich to be paid to the poor.

The Council by declaring this ruling, call upon all Muslims to adhere to the teaching of their religion and the righteous path of our Prophet, may peace and prayer be upon him, and to refrain of any act that might cause any harm to other people or transgress on them.

We invoke Allah Almighty for the good, the safeguarding, the unity and prosperity of this country, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, other Muslim countries, and also to improve the lives of all mankind, and to help spread virtue and justice all over the world, Allah is the guide and director to the righteous path. May peace and prayer be upon our Prophet, his family and companions.

The Council of Senior Ulema

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ime-sharia-law

Last fall (can't be a "phony" Fatwa if the little devil's heads get lopped off can it)

In recent weeks alleged terrorist supporters have been rounded up regularly. In early September the interior ministry announced the arrest of 88 people, days after an imam was jailed for glorifying al-Qaida and the Isis leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

The kingdom's grand mufti, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al al-Sheikh, has said that under sharia law terrorists merit the punishment of execution followed by the public display of the body as a deterrent.

I already provided you with examples of the little devils who were deservedly beheaded (and the outcry for their human rights yawn). So please tuck your little close-minded apostolic opinion back to where you pulled it from.

There are examples of words for you and there are examples of actions for you. I do not expect people who can't "notice that this teenager only weighed 45 lbs" to notice them however. Why would you? Next time you accuse Muslims of not taking action from within against those who are proponents of violence in the name of Islam you are going to see a real execution of one in color.

Advice: Don't eat before you do because you are definitely going to "notice" that one.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is the information on that requested stand by the UPC against frenzied child beating and torture in the name of Jesus somewhere up in that post?

So of course you are "unaware" of these practices within your ranks. It's normal for a teenager to weigh 50, 60 lbs right? LOL

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/kingw...c5105d252.html

My formal position.

Hopefully your avoidance of links does not include houstonnews.com

You can probably catch it on TV if that won't "send you to hell" to watch it

“We strongly condemn this brutal attack and we offer our condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured,” said Mustafaa Carroll, CAIR-TX, Houston Executive Director. “We at CAIR’s Houston office reject assaults on free speech, even speech that mocks religions or religious figures. We hope that the perpetrators are quickly apprehended and punished to the full extent of the law.”

What would anyone expect Council on American-Islamic Relations to say?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What would anyone expect Council on American-Islamic Relations to say?

The statement is consistent with the statement issued by (and) actions of the Saudi religious leadership.

I have satisfied the public statement request on three levels.

Where is the statement of your leadership (besides how troubled they are by the way surviving siblings of dead kids are questioned and their statement of support by the murderers of those dead kids).

I got that one for you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The statement is consistent with the statement issued by (and) actions of the Saudi religious leadership.

I have satisfied the public statement request on three levels.

Where is the statement of your leadership (besides how troubled they are by the way surviving siblings of dead kids are questioned and their statement of support by the murderers of those dead kids).

I got that one for you.

The point is, CAIR is all about public relations, so what would you expect them to say? Allahu Akbar, hooray for our team?