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Old 01-31-2015, 12:00 AM
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Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...

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You need bacon in your diet worse than the breath of life.

Nothing gets covered up, if it was covered up you wouldn't be able to access the court records on line. So, what about the two honor killings done in the good old US of A. I see you don't mind child brides as long as they are in Yemen? So, I see you skipped over the Egyptian cab driver who killed both of his daughters in Texas? i didn't have to go a long way for that one.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/166368674...#sp=show-clips
If the victim had not contacted the police herself in spite of being specifically told by the ministry not to tell anyone then it would have been covered up.

What's next? Islam was responsible for the Kennedy assassination?

Please source which Islamic Hadith, which Quranic passage, any, form the basis for "honor killings".

I will save you some time. Here is what your neighbors up in Canada have concluded about the origins of this practice.

From the Canadian department of Justice

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/c.../hk-ch/p3.html


6. Honour Killing - In Countries with Islamic Law

In many Arab countries, the practice of honour killing dates back to pre-Islamic times when Arab settlers occupied a region adjacent to Sindh, known as Baluchistan (in Pakistan).57 These Arab settlers had patriarchal traditions such as live burials of newly born daughters. Such traditions trace back to the earliest historic times of Ancient Babylon, where the predominant view was that a woman's virginity belonged to her family.58

There is no mention of honour killing in the Quran or Hadiths. Honour killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against a woman, and is forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honour killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural and not a religious issue. However, since Islam has influence over vast numbers of Muslims in many countries and from many cultures, some use Islam to justify honour killing even though there is no support for honour killing in Islam.

Traditional interpretations of Islamic law (or Sharia) prescribe severe punishments for zina, or extramarital sex, by both men and women. This is, however, not a new practice; it has been around since ancient times and is common practice in other religions and cultures as well. Under Islamic law, premarital sex could be punished by up to 100 lashes, while adultery is punishable by lethal stoning. The act must, however, be attested by at least four Muslim male witnesses of good character. Punishments are reserved to the legal authorities, and false accusations are themselves punished severely.

The execution of the Saudi Arabian princess Misha'al is an example of an honour killing in which the execution did not follow any Islamic religious court proceeding but was ordered directly by her grandfather after she admitted adultery.59

Interpretations of these rules vary. Some Arabs regard it as their right under both tradition and Sharia (by the process of al-urf), though this contradicts the views of the vast majority of Islamic scholars (fuqaha). Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran has condemned the practice as "un-Islamic", though punishment under Iranian law remains lenient for those who commit honour-based killings.

In Indonesia, generally believed to be the country with the largest Muslim population, honour killings are unknown, as is the case in parts of West Africa with majority-Muslim populations and in many other Islamic countries such as Bangladesh. According to Sheikh Atiyyah Saqr, former head of the al-Azhar University Fatwa Committee:

Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, "Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom." (An-Nisa': 93) The so-called "honor killing" is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments


I ignored it not because I dodged it but because it is not found in the Islamic teachings (anywhere) and thus is not an Islamic practice. It is found in tradition and this tradition predates Islam. As noted by your (more studious) neighbors, honor killings are actually prohibited in Islamic law.

Summary: It was a stupid analogy. Next?

Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 01-31-2015 at 12:02 AM.
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