Saul - Apostle Paul had a devil?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Non biblical. The devil and his crew get way more credit than they deserve.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I sometimes deal with people who believe and teach that Paul was a usurper. That the Apostle Paul actually created his own religion off of what Jesus taught. That all of Paul's epistles are Antichrist. But I must say that hearing Paul was demon possessed is a new one on me.

Did you get that from William Price?

No, not from Wm. Price. LOL! But, thanks for the input. I don't believe I have ever heard that Paul was a usurper either.

I was corrected in front of a group of people saying I was wrong by not agreeing he was of the devil. Because the man is about 15 years older than me (I think), I didn't want to exacerbate the conversation by asking where in the Bible did it say that and simply let the statement stand.

I've always been pretty proud of Paul, so inside I was feeling and thinking - NO WAY, JOSIE. LOL!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

No, not from Wm. Price. LOL! But, thanks for the input. I don't believe I have ever heard that Paul was a usurper either.

I was corrected in front of a group of people saying I was wrong by not agreeing he was of the devil. Because the man is about 15 years older than me (I think), I didn't want to exacerbate the conversation by asking where in the Bible did it say that and simply let the statement stand.

I've always been pretty proud of Paul, so inside I was feeling and thinking - NO WAY, JOSIE. LOL!

Now hold on there a minute! You exacerbate the conversation by asking QUESTIONS? Sister you go back there and tell those jokers to PROVE it!

Paul was demon possessed? Seriously?

Where? Where does it make the statement that Paul had a devil, was filled with devils, or had a devil cast out of him?

Sister, sister, don't ever miss the opportunity to help someone climb out of the pit, in which they were led by some individual who keeps his eyes closed tight.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Now hold on there a minute! You exacerbate the conversation by asking QUESTIONS? Sister you go back there and tell those jokers to PROVE it!

Paul was demon possessed? Seriously?

Where? Where does it make the statement that Paul had a devil, was filled with devils, or had a devil cast out of him?

Sister, sister, don't ever miss the opportunity to help someone climb out of the pit, in which they were led by some individual who keeps his eyes closed tight.

Thank you, Brother. If I gave you the full details, you may tell me I did the right thing. I can't go into the sordid details of that on a public forum, you understand.

I will get my chance to speak about this to him later. He said, in front of everyone, "we can discuss this another time". Anyway, the situation didn't warrant me going on with it as it would have appeared to be an argument.

The way I was looking at it, I was outnumbered by the men and none of them challenged him, so I didn't feel I should press it further. I can be submissive like that.

I will argue with him about it later in a one on one. You can count on that because he was dissing Paul and I can't let that stand.

In my experience, I see people more comfortable taking a negative view of God and His Word than seeing the beautiful power in the lessons. It can be challenging and also kind of depressing.

For example, we were talking about how God deals with us. One person was commenting about how God... let's see, how did he described it? "whopped up" on him for something he did wrong.

I said, "I would be devastated if God spoke to me that way and I don't believe He actually spoke to you that way. I've made plenty of mistakes and He has shown me my wrong by His Word. It came to me so gentle, I wanted to repent and do right. It doesn't make sense to me that God would 'whoop up' on a person."

But he insisted and I still don't believe it.

Just venting... I guess I'm kind of down today.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, Brother. If I gave you the full details, you may tell me I did the right thing. I can't go into the sordid details of that on a public forum, you understand.

I will get my chance to speak about this to him later. He said, in front of everyone, "we can discuss this another time". Anyway, the situation didn't warrant me going on with it as it would have appeared to be an argument.

The way I was looking at it, I was outnumbered by the men and none of them challenged him, so I didn't feel I should press it further. I can be submissive like that.

I will argue with him about it later in a one on one. You can count on that because he was dissing Paul and I can't let that stand.

In my experience, I see people more comfortable taking a negative view of God and His Word than seeing the beautiful power in the lessons. It can be challenging and also kind of depressing.

For example, we were talking about how God deals with us. One person was commenting about how God... let's see, how did he described it? "whopped up" on him for something he did wrong.

I said, "I would be devastated if God spoke to me that way and I don't believe He actually spoke to you that way. I've made plenty of mistakes and He has shown me my wrong by His Word. It came to me so gentle, I wanted to repent and do right. It doesn't make sense to me that God would 'whoop up' on a person."

But he insisted and I still don't believe it.

Just venting... I guess I'm kind of down today.

He's confusing God with someone else. God is the epitome of a good father.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

He's confusing God with someone else. God is the epitome of a good father.

I agree!

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

For example, we were talking about how God deals with us. One person was commenting about how God... let's see, how did he described it? "whopped up" on him for something he did wrong.

I said, "I would be devastated if God spoke to me that way and I don't believe He actually spoke to you that way. I've made plenty of mistakes and He has shown me my wrong by His Word. It came to me so gentle, I wanted to repent and do right. It doesn't make sense to me that God would 'whoop up' on a person."

But he insisted and I still don't believe it.

Just venting... I guess I'm kind of down today.

God deals with us differently. I don't know how God "whopped up" on this guy, but I think I could easy say that there have been times that God has corrected me in a way that certainly felt like my butt was getting "whopped" because His correction caused me to see just how incredibly wrong I was.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

God deals with us differently. I don't know how God "whopped up" on this guy, but I think I could easy say that there have been times that God has corrected me in a way that certainly felt like my butt was getting "whopped" because His correction caused me to see just how incredibly wrong I was.

This was pretty much the conversation. So, my point of view was and is that you can feel incredibly wrong and bad about what you did. You can even feel embarrassed and sick at your stomach, yet, God doesn't give the impression of anger about it. At least, He has never made me feel that way. So, really, it's hard for me to imagine it.

When my father would correct us, He never made you feel like he didn't love you. Now, my mother is another story. LOL! My mother's discipline is what the young man was trying to convey to me about God. Just can't see it. I told him I think his feelings about his wrong is what made him feel that God had dealt with him so harshly. He said, "Maybe so."

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This point was so wrong, I was shocked he said it. I think his exact wording was that "Paul was full of the devil." I see Paul as he described himself in Philippians 3:5-6. That is a man trained up strong in the Law of Moses. He was very confident in what he believed.

How interesting, the very moment that Jesus revealed Himself, Paul asks Him what He would have Him do? IOW, whatever you want from me, I will do it. No questions asked. Man, that is just so awesome!

This is what was on my mind when he said Paul was full of the devil. I was trying to point out what the scripture shows to be Paul's mind or at least his actions, but another person was agreeing with him and I didn't respond any further.

I believe I see it exactly as you do. Paul was an educated and dedicated man. He believed he was doing God's will the good, old fashioned way...and reasonably so since it was not the first time the Hebrews had gone after their "godless enemies".

But Paul realized he was dealing with the true authority when he was knocked off his high horse... and was VERY quick to repent of his wrongdoing. A man full of the devil is not like that.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This was pretty much the conversation. So, my point of view was and is that you can feel incredibly wrong and bad about what you did. You can even feel embarrassed and sick at your stomach, yet, God doesn't give the impression of anger about it. At least, He has never made me feel that way. So, really, it's hard for me to imagine it.

When my father would correct us, He never made you feel like he didn't love you. Now, my mother is another story. LOL! My mother's discipline is what the young man was trying to convey to me about God. Just can't see it. I told him I think his feelings about his wrong is what made him feel that God had dealt with him so harshly. He said, "Maybe so."

God has never corrected me in a way that came across as mean to me. He's be straight-forward, even a bit strong, but never mean. Even when he corrected Jonah he was merciful. Of course, I honestly expect God to be a bit harder on his prophets than on those that are not... because the things He shows them.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I believe I see it exactly as you do. Paul was an educated and dedicated man. He believed he was doing God's will the good, old fashioned way...and reasonably so since it was not the first time the Hebrews had gone after their "godless enemies".

But Paul realized he was dealing with the true authority when he was knocked off his high horse... and was VERY quick to repent of his wrongdoing. A man full of the devil is not like that.

Amen!!! He didn't stop to ponder the voice and the bright light, did he?

God has never corrected me in a way that came across as mean to me. He's be straight-forward, even a bit strong, but never mean. Even when he corrected Jonah he was merciful. Of course, I honestly expect God to be a bit harder on his prophets than on those that are not... because the things He shows them.

Yes, good points. I have some things rolling around my brain. I'll post more later.

I just tested a new Brownie recipe with Espresso powder. YUMMY! I may not get to post later because now I have to go and kill myself after eating two brownies!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, Brother. If I gave you the full details, you may tell me I did the right thing. I can't go into the sordid details of that on a public forum, you understand.

I will get my chance to speak about this to him later. He said, in front of everyone, "we can discuss this another time". Anyway, the situation didn't warrant me going on with it as it would have appeared to be an argument.

The way I was looking at it, I was outnumbered by the men and none of them challenged him, so I didn't feel I should press it further. I can be submissive like that.

I will argue with him about it later in a one on one. You can count on that because he was dissing Paul and I can't let that stand.

In my experience, I see people more comfortable taking a negative view of God and His Word than seeing the beautiful power in the lessons. It can be challenging and also kind of depressing.

For example, we were talking about how God deals with us. One person was commenting about how God... let's see, how did he described it? "whopped up" on him for something he did wrong.

I said, "I would be devastated if God spoke to me that way and I don't believe He actually spoke to you that way. I've made plenty of mistakes and He has shown me my wrong by His Word. It came to me so gentle, I wanted to repent and do right. It doesn't make sense to me that God would 'whoop up' on a person."

But he insisted and I still don't believe it.

Just venting... I guess I'm kind of down today.

Did their leader look like this....