And I'm no Nazi, bigot, skinhead or racist. I'm simply for enforcing the laws of the land and stopping ILLEGAL immigration.
I'm not against LEGAL immigration.
Secure the border ... phase those that are illegal in ... help solve our Social Security mess while we're at it ... or you will have paid into SSI for naught ....
Secure the border ... phase those that are illegal in ... help solve our Social Security mess while we're at it ... or you will have paid into SSI for naught ....
I agree with much of your position but I do think there is some flaw in your understanding.
Currently there are between 12 and 25 million illegal immagrants in this country. The majority of those currently in this country illegally are working poor. if they are legalized, they will immediatly qualify for many government services. Already these people cost the US billions in unrepaid medical bills and un insured motorists claims on insurance.
legalizing these people will not change the costs downward. You have said that getting their SSN dollars will be a good thing. that isnt exactly correct. While they will pay SS taxes, this really isnt a net gain. while they may pay a small amount in (small because they earn little), that will be more than offset by two factors. first, they will recieve more dollars in government programs. secondly, in retirement, studies show, they will return to their country of orrigin in pretty large numbers thus the SSN dollars will be spent some place other than the USA.
the net will be a massive tax burden to middle class and above.
additionally while there are 12 to 25 million illegals in this country, every one will be able to bring others here to be with them. Parents (no matter how old) and children will be able to come legally. so 12 to 25 million people becomes almost 50 million and 75 to 80 % of that number will qualify for extensive government services. 25 million that get an average of $100 per month (that is way low ball) is 2.5 BILLION dollars per month in new government services. their taxes will not off set that.
we do need to first secure the boarder. then and only then move forward with figuring out what to do with immagration.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
Did you all Hear what happend today ??
Terroist were plotting to blow up JFK airport???
They catch 150,000 illegals coming over from the
Mexican border a Year BUUUUT!!! Aprox. I million or
more get over!! AND!!! This includes north Koreans,
Iranians, algerians, etc etc WHY?? because word has gotton
out all over the world how easy it is to get through our
Porous borders.
Did you all Hear what happend today ??
Terroist were plotting to blow up JFK airport???
They catch 150,000 illegals coming over from the
Mexican border a Year BUUUUT!!! Aprox. I million or
more get over!! AND!!! This includes north Koreans,
Iranians, algerians, etc etc WHY?? because word has gotton
out all over the world how easy it is to get through our
Porous borders.
Thad, that is true. did you know there is a massive militant population of Muslims in Bolivia South America? they want distroy America and they are in our back yard with easy access across the mexican boarder.
before we even begin to think of dealing with immigration reform, we have to close the southern boarder. when we know we can stop those that arent here yet, then we can decide what to do with those that are already here.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
Did you all Hear what happend today ??
Terroist were plotting to blow up JFK airport???
They catch 150,000 illegals coming over from the
Mexican border a Year BUUUUT!!! Aprox. I million or
more get over!! AND!!! This includes north Koreans,
Iranians, algerians, etc etc WHY?? because word has gotton
out all over the world how easy it is to get through our
Porous borders.
My daughter flew into JFK from Italy yesterday. I signed on the internet today and read that. I thanked God one more time that she got home safe before another stupid terrorist act happened.
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And I'm no Nazi, bigot, skinhead or racist. I'm simply for enforcing the laws of the land and stopping ILLEGAL immigration.
I'm not against LEGAL immigration.
Before that can happen we must get rid of a corrupt government !
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There is no entity that is more obnoxious than government. No entity kills more. No entity plunders more. No one entity violates more individual rights more often, with more impunity. And none spews more propaganda and lies. History proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Be it a monarchy, oligarchy, union of socialist republics, or a communist Nation-State like the people's republic of china, you can rest assured that a big powerful government will be the bane of Liberty every time. It has always been this way. Government must be checked. Bureaucrats must be resisted. They must be over-ruled. Thomas Jefferson once said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure".
Often people think that government corruption involves certain government employees (or elected officials) breaking the law, taking bribes, or wrongfully issuing special favors to select individuals or cliques to promote their own career. To an extent, this is government corruption, but such activity only scratches the surface. It represents a small fraction of the real corruption going on. The most egregious corruption originates right in plain view in the halls of legislature. It happens routinely now, it's just that most people don't recognize it.
Rest assured that if the founders of this country saw how Congress -- with assistance and acquiescence from the judicial and executive branches -- has destroyed liberty and justice; if they were to witness the current government's utter disregard and overt contempt for individual human rights, they would be calling for revolution in a big way. The founders were not fond of tyranny. The problem with having a revolution now is that the people have forgotten the virtues of liberty, justice, and rights. A revolution wouldn't accomplish anything unless more people understand and desire a return to the principles on which this country was founded.
A corrupt government is one that extends unlawful jurisdiction over the people it is supposed to protect. A corrupt government is one that legislates beyond its rightful power by erecting laws that do injury to liberty, justice, and individual rights. A corrupt government believes that might makes right, and that its mission is to curtail freedom, regulate every aspect of personal and financial affairs, and tax the populace into submission while falsely claiming it is acting in their best interest.
The Constitution of the United States was ordained with the primary object being the defense of Liberty. This can be achieved by limiting the government's scope of power. In the Constitution, specific powers are delegated to three distinct branches of government: The legislative (Congress), the administrative or executive (Presidency), and the judicial (Courts and Jurors). Congress can only create laws in the pursuance of liberty -- in pursuance of the Constitution. And two conditions must be met: #1 Jurisdiction must exist and #2, Congressional act(s) must not violate the rights of any individual citizen(s). If both of the conditions are not met, any anti-constitutional decree Congress might install is not valid. It should not be enforced (gun control legislation comes to mind)! An example of a violation of a person's rights would be a tax levied that involves taking things (like money) from one citizen or group and giving it to another (several anti-constitutional acts come to mind such as farm subsidies, social security, and foreign aid). These Congressional boondoggles violate the right to due process and just compensation.
"Crime fighting" power, as is the case with war power, is the most noxious and abused power a government can exercise. The founding fathers knew this. The scope of Federal "crime fighting" jurisdiction is extremely limited. For example, in Article 1 section 8 paragraph 7, Congress is granted jurisdiction "to establish post offices and post roads", and in paragraph 10, "to define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and against the law of nations." However, Janet Reno and her minions pretend not to know this. Note that it took an amendment to Constitution to prohibit alcohol, which, not coincidentally, was a disastrous anti-constitutional measure that had to be abandoned later due to the huge increase in real crime that it spawned. Crime fighting power within high tide lines is reserved to the individual States and to the people as jurors.
Congress lacks jurisdiction to subsidize businesses and individuals through confiscatory tax schemes. See Amendment V. Jurists (judges) can nix laws that violate the Constitution and jurors (common folk) can nullify bad laws/prosecutions that violate the conscience. We have a Bill of Rights as an additional check to protect the Liberty of the Citizens and the sovereignty of the States. At the inception of the USA, the citizens of the several states, and their posterity, were assured a maximum amount of Liberty. There was no other nation on earth that offered more freedom than the USA. This brought peace and prosperity as never seen before in history. The federal government must uphold the rights of the people. It must not usurp the just powers of the states. Congress and the executive branch are bound by the Constitution. Every citizen is guaranteed liberty and justice here. We can't be subjugated. We people; we commoners give the government its just powers. It operates at our consent.
Many people think that what makes our country great is that we are a democracy. Well, this isn't a democracy. The USA is a union of autonomous Republics. But there is nothing inherently good about either form of government. There are bad republics. There are bad democracies. There are bad dictatorships and bad monarchies. What makes the US unique is that we have a limited form of government. We have a government whose power can't lawfully extend beyond that which has been expressly delegated to it. I'll repeat myself. If the Constitution doesn't expressly give jurisdiction to the federal government over a certain subject, it may not act on it. Note that the Constitution had to be amended in order to punish people who traded in alcohol. We have a Constitution with checks, balances, and limitations on all branches of government. It may seem a novel concept to many, but we citizens have powerful tools at our disposal that can stop statist tyrants dead (in some cases literally) in their tracks. We're guaranteed the right to be tried by a jury of fellow citizens; by a jury of our peers empowered to judge both fact and law. The government will not tell you this. They in fact blatantly lie about it. But the Supreme Court, every time the issue is brought in front of it, reaffirms that we citizens, as jurors, hold final veto power on any and all arbitrary laws/regulations/prosecutions. And as noted by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper #83, "trial by jury is a safeguard against an oppressive exercise of the power of taxation". You heard that right. There are no second-class citizens in the US. No government official can carry a title of nobility. The government cannot suspend the right to petition for a Writ of Habeas Corpus in times of peace. Congress can pass no bills of attainder.
Citizens are Guaranteed due process if the government acts against them. With minor exceptions (mainly military and maritime jurisdiction), the Common Law is the only nationally recognized form of law. We have a right to speak our mind without fear of retribution from the government. Private property is protected. The government must return just compensation if it dispossess a citizen while in pursuit of public goals. The right to bear arms is nearly absolute. Government employees must obtain a search warrant from a judge in order to shake down a free citizen. And even then, a warrant must be obtained from a judge specifying precisely who, where, why, and how a search will take place, and exactly what is being searched for. All rights and powers not expressly delegated to national government, including those not listed in the Constitution, belong to the states and people (amendments 9 & 10). I could go on, but I would be talking about the ways things are meant to be -- not how they are now.
Today, most of us are Subjects of a corrupt government. Many are involved knee deep in it. But we are not powerless. We, in fact, should not allow the government to act wrongfully against us. Most people don't even realize how far off course our government has strayed. We can light the torch of Liberty again. But we won't do it at the polls. It won't be done via legislative actions. It won't be accomplished by way of executive order/decree. Politicians and bureaucrats do not deliver Liberty, they take it! More people are beginning to understand this. It will probably take less than ten percent of us to stand tall, exercise, demand, and reaffirm our absolute right to judge both fact AND LAW in order to restore liberty and Justice. When enough are educated of this power, the Torch of Liberty will begin to shine bright again. Failure to exercise this fundamental right has brought us where we are today.
If a law doesn't fit, you must acquit! That includes tax code prosecutions as well as excessively punitive and anti-constitutional "crime fighting" legislation. We do not need to wait for a ruling from a judge to nix an unjust prosecution. We do not need to wait for the "right" politicians to erect the "right" legislation to take back our inalienable rights. We people are the ultimate check against despotic government authoritarians. Effective use of trial by jury is deadly to government bureaucrats, politicians, and their henchman. It's a highly efficient and bloodless form of rebellion. Shall we take back our Liberty now?
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