The Effects of A Loud Shout | Raul Alvear Jr. :)

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

When we get to heaven by His grace, we won't have that choice. We will praise him without hindrance!

And everyone will be loud over there.

As a matter of fact I can't wait to grab Sister Flounnie Webb by the hand and run the streets of Gold !

I don't believe anyone here doubts that or is against a sincere worshiper making noise.

I view praise and worship in the same way I do someone who feels to praise in the dance. Those that do not choose to dance should not be made to feel less spiritual, because there are other methods of praise that are just as effective.

In one particular service, a person got out of their pew and ran around the church. The preacher said, "There is your TRUE worshiper!!!", as though no one else in the room qualified.

There is no doubt the exuberant person running the aisles was sincere in his worship, however, the "many" other people with hands raised and tears streaming down their faces were also sincere. A person's response is going to vary according to his personality. I heard a pastor, once say, "If you can't raise your voice, you need to change your personality."

It is a shame to qualify a person's relationship with God on the volume of their voice - is the point.

"My foot standeth in an even place; in the congregation will I bless/barak (cause to kneel) the Lord (Psalm 16:12)

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"Thus will I bless (to kneel) thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name."
Psalm 63:4

"Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless (to kneel) the Lord." Psalm 134:2

"And Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven:" I Kings 8:22

"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." I Timothy 2:8

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The apostle Paul wasn't looking for a crowd motivated by cheerleaders. Cheerleaders will panic if the crowd isn't noisy enough.

What did Paul say - with purpose?

"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." I Cor. 9:26-27.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The apostle Paul wasn't looking for a crowd motivated by cheerleaders. Cheerleaders will panic if the crowd isn't noisy enough.

What did Paul say - with purpose?

"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." I Cor. 9:26-27.

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by n david

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

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Originally Posted by n david

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

I figured you would miss the point. The point is this - while you are making noise, show me strength and purpose as well. Don't just give me noise.

And I believe that is the point that people are trying to make here. I haven't gotten the impression anyone is against the shout.

The elephant in the room is that we have seen, to a large degree, noise without strength. We have seen cheerleading without strength, only for effect.

As we are looking for a strong person to lead this country in 2016, it is no different than looking for a strong, purposeful leader like Paul in the churches.

Shout unto the Lord with the voice of triumph, but let it be about more than noise - let it be about commitment and strength.

Additionally, this commentary has nothing to do with questioning the speaker's motives in the OP's video - for the record.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I figured you would miss the point. The point is this - while you are making noise, show me strength and purpose as well. Don't just give me noise.

And I believe that is the point that people are trying to make here. I haven't gotten the impression anyone is against the shout.

The elephant in the room is that we have seen, to a large degree, noise without strength. We have seen cheerleading without strength, only for effect.

As we are looking for a strong person to lead this country in 2016, it is no different than looking for a strong, purposeful leader like Paul in the churches.

Shout unto the Lord with the voice of triumph, but let it be about more than noise - let it be about commitment and strength.

Additionally, this commentary has nothing to do with questioning the speaker's motives in the OP's video - for the record.

Amen. I love the shout, and I believe God does mighty things when His people praise Him. I also believe, as you posted, it should be more than just noise.





**I edited this post and deleted my original response because I don't wish to argue over something minor.

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Originally Posted by n david

Wait a minute, please. You posted a verse and added commentary with it as though Paul wrote the verse about cheerleading or shouting, and when I post that it has nothing to do with the subject, you say I'm missing the point of the verse?

The verse has nothing to do with what you claim. In simple context, the verse is Paul's analogy to a race, v. 24-26.

"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

I don't believe I'm the one missing the point of the verse.

"As though" is your perception.

Exactly, a "race" that won't be won if we are focusing on a person's approval rating with God being on how loud they can shout, how much noise a person can make. The leader has simply relegated himself to the position of a cheerleader and is shallow at best. There are many other definitions for praise and worship is the point.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't believe anyone here doubts that or is against a sincere worshiper making noise.

I view praise and worship in the same way I do someone who feels to praise in the dance. Those that do not choose to dance should not be made to feel less spiritual, because there are other methods of praise that are just as effective.

In one particular service, a person got out of their pew and ran around the church. The preacher said, "There is your TRUE worshiper!!!", as though no one else in the room qualified.

There is no doubt the exuberant person running the aisles was sincere in his worship, however, the "many" other people with hands raised and tears streaming down their faces were also sincere. A person's response is going to vary according to his personality. I heard a pastor, once say, "If you can't raise your voice, you need to change your personality."

It is a shame to qualify a person's relationship with God on the volume of their voice - is the point.

"My foot standeth in an even place; in the congregation will I bless/barak (cause to kneel) the Lord (Psalm 16:12)

Awesome PO! Thanks for understanding my point!

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Awesome PO! Thanks for understanding my point!

Understood you perfectly!