Your tithes were already paid.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Russ Kelly

Would you continue to send money to a church after
a. The building is destroyed?
b. The preacher has been defrocked?
c. The workers have found other jobs?
d. The members have all left?
e. The land has been inhabited by non religious people?
f. The purpose for the church no longer exists?
g. You have died?

Very good presentation, nice and concise and to the point.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Very good presentation, nice and concise and to the point.

Hey, we have the man on this thread that is the equivalent in his group of Dan Seagraves in the UPC.

But his specialty is the anti-tithe message.

Glad you are here Russ Kelly!

I have presented your info to our ministers and none of them have a rebuttal.

You have this subject perfected!

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey, we have the man on this thread that is the equivalent in his group of Dan Seagraves in the UPC.

Lol, oooooowww what a threat! lol
Seagraves teaches tithing for New Testament believers. The issue is what one believes, and if you can find in the bible scriptures that confirm your faith. The arguments that R.Kelley are easily picked apart. But even if any of us did, the scoffers would still mock. Making a hero out of someone that can only parrot what you say is truly no proof at all for the argument. The fact is those that give their tithe every time they are blessed with a paycheck, truly are blessed with more than they gave. I sure don't want to miss out on anything God has for me. And those that don't, Do not.

This is a very good message taught by a man of God.
I hesatated posting this, but here goes. I know that those that hate preachers love this kind of stuff because it gives them food to chew on. Please at least listen to the whole thing before you criticize.

http://media.truthcasting.com/downlo...I0ZWIwNTVmY2Jj

Elder G. Riggen
-God's Holy Tithe-

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Lol, oooooowww what a threat! lol
Seagraves teaches tithing for New Testament believers. The issue is what one believes, and if you can find in the bible scriptures that confirm your faith. The arguments that R.Kelley are easily picked apart. But even if any of us did, the scoffers would still mock. Making a hero out of someone that can only parrot what you say is truly no proof at all for the argument. The fact is those that give their tithe every time they are blessed with a paycheck, truly are blessed with more than they gave. I sure don't want to miss out on anything God has for me. And those that don't, Do not.

This is a very good message taught by a man of God.
I hesatated posting this, but here goes. I know that those that hate preachers love this kind of stuff because it gives them food to chew on. Please at least listen to the whole thing before you criticize.

http://media.truthcasting.com/downlo...I0ZWIwNTVmY2Jj

Elder G. Riggen
-God's Holy Tithe-

Now see? If his arguments can be easily picked apart, then why aren't they being picked apart? I mean it ought to be very simple. Just go through the scriptures, line upon line, precept upon precept, and show the following:

1. God commanded people under the old covenant to pay ten percent of their income 'from whatever source derived' to the priests.
2. Jesus and/or his apostles taught that Christians under the new covenant were to continue doing this, except it was to go to their local elder/pastor/bishop/church treasury.

I would think it would be a simple matter to lay it out. The fact nobody is willing to do that, but instead want to attack the character of those who lay out from the scripture the opposite view, or want to insinuate or claim that those who don't agree with the modern 'tithe' doctrine (so called) must be greedy, stingy, God-robbers, etc etc, indicates that the modern tithe teachers cannot support their doctrine with 'thus sayeth the Lord', from the Scriptures.

Remember, simply posting a verse or two that mentions 'tithing' does not prove the case, because the issue under discussion is 'what exactly IS the tithe commanded in Scripture?'

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I would think it would be a simple matter to lay it out. The fact nobody is willing to do that, but instead want to attack the character of those who lay out from the scripture the opposite view, or want to insinuate or claim that those who don't agree with the modern 'tithe' doctrine (so called) must be greedy, stingy, God-robbers, etc etc, indicates that the modern tithe teachers cannot support their doctrine with 'thus sayeth the Lord', from the Scriptures.

Remember, simply posting a verse or two that mentions 'tithing' does not prove the case, because the issue under discussion is 'what exactly IS the tithe commanded in Scripture?'

I have to a small degree done this. So you are wrong in saying one one has laid it out. I understand you may disagree but that does not mean that it was not done.

I would like to ask you where I attacked the character of anyone or said or insinuated: those who don't agree with the modern 'tithe' doctrine (so called) must be greedy, stingy, God-robbers, etc etc.

If you cannot do this then you are once again wrong. Modern tithe teachers can and do support their doctrine from the scripture.

Again you can disagree and that is your right but it is equally wrong to make false accusations.

"Remember, simply posting a verse or two that mentions 'tithing' does not prove the case, because the issue under discussion is 'what exactly IS the tithe commanded in Scripture?"

The same can be said of the other side. A complete and total reliance upon the Levitical system ignores the fundamental fact that tithing was well established din the earth prior to the Levites and certainly is afterwards unless there is a specific command that says "thou shalt no longer tithe". Without tithing continues because it is not dependent upon the Levites. The Levites are dependent upon it that's why they paid tithes through Abraham.

Please do not make any more false accusations. You may disagree with the premise and/or the interpretation but that does not mean it has not been laid out. You just simply disagree. That is your prerogative.

Take Care

[Russ Kelly]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now see? If his arguments can be easily picked apart, then why aren't they being picked apart? I mean it ought to be very simple. Just go through the scriptures, line upon line, precept upon precept, and show the following:

1. God commanded people under the old covenant to pay ten percent of their income 'from whatever source derived' to the priests.
2. Jesus and/or his apostles taught that Christians under the new covenant were to continue doing this, except it was to go to their local elder/pastor/bishop/church treasury.

I would think it would be a simple matter to lay it out. The fact nobody is willing to do that, but instead want to attack the character of those who lay out from the scripture the opposite view, or want to insinuate or claim that those who don't agree with the modern 'tithe' doctrine (so called) must be greedy, stingy, God-robbers, etc etc, indicates that the modern tithe teachers cannot support their doctrine with 'thus sayeth the Lord', from the Scriptures.

Remember, simply posting a verse or two that mentions 'tithing' does not prove the case, because the issue under discussion is 'what exactly IS the tithe commanded in Scripture?'

Baptists will sponsor debates on biblical inerrancy and inspiration, Calvinism, eschatology and tongues, but will not go near tithing.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey, we have the man on this thread that is the equivalent in his group of Dan Seagraves in the UPC.

But his specialty is the anti-tithe message.

Glad you are here Russ Kelly!

I have presented your info to our ministers and none of them have a rebuttal.

You have this subject perfected!

lol--it's not Russ Kelly.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Rudy

lol--it's not Russ Kelly.

Rats, if its not, at least we exposed his book to the guys.