Leaders killing for religion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Did the king not make himself the head of the church so that he might
divorce one woman and marry another?
What's the difference?

A huge one becuse Sir Thomas More wished AB well in her marriage to the King.
This proving that STM's main issue was the church being turned over to government rule.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A huge one becuse Sir Thomas More wished AB well in her marriage to the King.
This proving that STM's main issue was the church being turned over to government rule.

So...whether the church was turned over to the king, or the king made himself a pope of his own church...the end result was basically the same. The king divorced his wife, and married another.

Yes, to those who will argue a position, there is a BIG difference.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

So...whether the church was turned over to the king, or the king made himself a pope of his own church...the end result was basically the same. The king divorced his wife, and married another.

Yes, to those who will argue a position, there is a BIG difference.

Arguing a position? More like (no pun intended), if you are going to teach history, you should at least try to do it with facts? If I told someone that TM was beheaded just due to the divorce of Catherine of Aragon and marriage to Ann Boleyn. I would be leaving out the real reasons which lead up to his death. TM had written to the king acknowledging Anne Boleyn's queenship and expressing his desire for the King's happiness and the new queen's health. But when More didn't attend the coronation of the queen it was looked upon as an insult. Yet, we cannot look at the divorce of Catherine of Aragon as being More's main issue.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Arguing a position? More like (no pun intended), if you are going to teach history, you should at least try to do it with facts? If I told someone that TM was beheaded just due to the divorce of Catherine of Aragon and marriage to Ann Boleyn. I would be leaving out the real reasons which lead up to his death. TM had written to the king acknowledging Anne Boleyn's queenship and expressing his desire for the King's happiness and the new queen's health. But when More didn't attend the coronation of the queen it was looked upon as an insult. Yet, we cannot look at the divorce of Catherine of Aragon as being More's main issue.

I am not a historian. You would probably do very well as one.

Nor am I am interested in attaining any such title. All I did was ask a question
and then stated that, all things considered, nothing would have changed the
desire of the king to divorce one woman in order to marry another...nor how
many times he may have divorced and remarried. It really has no bearing on
preaching and teaching the truth of the gospel.

I am certain that the history of the scriptures endows a person with faith; for
there is Spirit and Life in the scriptures. But the history of man, not so much.

"Faith comes by hearing...the WORD..."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I am not a historian. You would probably do very well as one.

Nor am I am interested in attaining any such title. All I did was ask a question
and then stated that, all things considered, nothing would have changed the
desire of the king to divorce one woman in order to marry another...nor how
many times he may have divorced and remarried. It really has no bearing on
preaching and teaching the truth of the gospel.

I am certain that the history of the scriptures endows a person with faith; for
there is Spirit and Life in the scriptures. But the history of man, not so much.

"Faith comes by hearing...the WORD..."

I'm sorry, I thought you and I were discussing history concerning TM, not faith, or the Bible.

Please forgive my misunderstanding.