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10-27-2015, 03:57 PM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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Oh...I see. Yes, they are leaders OF THEIR CHURCH; not to the one I belong.
You must understand, Beloved, that there are only TWO churches in this world.
There is the Righteous Church; then, there is the false church. Plus...
There are only three religions in this world: the No God religion; the multi-god
religion; and the ONE GOD religion!
Quite simple, really.
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ya, maybe. Personally, i find a lot of Scripture against religion, per se; and i note the definition of "religion" has altered over the years, just like the def of "church," and a few other key terms...wheat, apparently, must suffer tares while maturing; so i don't even look for earthly perfection now. As misguided as they were, I'm sure these leaders meant to perfect the faith, and are forgiven; or sought their own glory, and were lost. It is not for me to decide.
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10-27-2015, 10:27 PM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
I believe Henry VIII had Sir Thomas More executed for standing against his divorce/annulment so as to marry another.
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10-27-2015, 10:42 PM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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I believe Henry VIII had Sir Thomas More executed for standing against his divorce/annulment so as to marry another.
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Sir Thomas More was executed mainly because he refused the king as the head of the church.
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10-28-2015, 12:22 AM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sir Thomas More was executed mainly because he refused the king as the head of the church.
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Did the king not make himself the head of the church so that he might
divorce one woman and marry another?
What's the difference?
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10-28-2015, 09:07 AM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
Can anyone recommend a good book on Martin Luther?
Not looking for a book to demonize him or tell me that he was almost an angel.
Just something that takes a fair look at his life and not leave stuff out like the parts that people don't like. 
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10-28-2015, 10:11 AM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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Did the king not make himself the head of the church so that he might
divorce one woman and marry another?
What's the difference?
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A huge one becuse Sir Thomas More wished AB well in her marriage to the King.
This proving that STM's main issue was the church being turned over to government rule.
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10-28-2015, 05:34 PM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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A huge one becuse Sir Thomas More wished AB well in her marriage to the King.
This proving that STM's main issue was the church being turned over to government rule.
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So...whether the church was turned over to the king, or the king made himself a pope of his own church...the end result was basically the same. The king divorced his wife, and married another.
Yes, to those who will argue a position, there is a BIG difference.
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10-28-2015, 09:53 PM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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So...whether the church was turned over to the king, or the king made himself a pope of his own church...the end result was basically the same. The king divorced his wife, and married another.
Yes, to those who will argue a position, there is a BIG difference.
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Arguing a position? More like (no pun intended), if you are going to teach history, you should at least try to do it with facts? If I told someone that TM was beheaded just due to the divorce of Catherine of Aragon and marriage to Ann Boleyn. I would be leaving out the real reasons which lead up to his death. TM had written to the king acknowledging Anne Boleyn's queenship and expressing his desire for the King's happiness and the new queen's health. But when More didn't attend the coronation of the queen it was looked upon as an insult. Yet, we cannot look at the divorce of Catherine of Aragon as being More's main issue.
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10-29-2015, 12:29 AM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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Can anyone recommend a good book on Martin Luther?
Not looking for a book to demonize him or tell me that he was almost an angel.
Just something that takes a fair look at his life and not leave stuff out like the parts that people don't like. |
I recommend Here I Stand by Roland Bainton, the author of Hunted Heretic.
Find it here:
http://www.amazon.com/Here-Stand-Lif.../dp/0452011469
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10-29-2015, 01:05 AM
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Re: Leaders killing for religion.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Arguing a position? More like (no pun intended), if you are going to teach history, you should at least try to do it with facts? If I told someone that TM was beheaded just due to the divorce of Catherine of Aragon and marriage to Ann Boleyn. I would be leaving out the real reasons which lead up to his death. TM had written to the king acknowledging Anne Boleyn's queenship and expressing his desire for the King's happiness and the new queen's health. But when More didn't attend the coronation of the queen it was looked upon as an insult. Yet, we cannot look at the divorce of Catherine of Aragon as being More's main issue.
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I am not a historian. You would probably do very well as one.
Nor am I am interested in attaining any such title. All I did was ask a question
and then stated that, all things considered, nothing would have changed the
desire of the king to divorce one woman in order to marry another...nor how
many times he may have divorced and remarried. It really has no bearing on
preaching and teaching the truth of the gospel.
I am certain that the history of the scriptures endows a person with faith; for
there is Spirit and Life in the scriptures. But the history of man, not so much.
"Faith comes by hearing...the WORD..."
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