Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Okay....Random passage...

Revelation 14King James Version (KJV)

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb(Jesus) stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb(Jesus) whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.(Jesus)

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

FINALLY!

You say the LAMB is a SIGN of Jesus. Where does the verses you mention say it is Jesus? Is Jesus' name mentioned anywhere in those chapters where the LAMB is a sign of Him? Where do we read the Lamb is "LIKE" Jesus? Is the word LIKE there?

Does that mean Jesus is really a Lamb with seven real eyes and seven real horns? What does a SIGN mean? How do you know it's Jesus?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

FINALLY!

You say the LAMB is a SIGN of Jesus. Where does the verses you mention say it is Jesus? Is Jesus' name mentioned anywhere in those chapters where the LAMB is a sign of Him?

Does that mean Jesus is really a Lamb with seven real eyes and seven real horns? What does a SIGN mean? How do you know it's Jesus?

No kidding, Mike.

The difference here is this,..... I use very little symbolism to try to see the passage clearer.


You symbolize entire chapters to mean something ENTIRELY different.


I am trying to read the book of Revelation, and keep my name in the Book of Life.

You are BIG TIME gambling.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

No kidding, Mike.

The difference here is this,..... I use very little symbolism to try to see the passage clearer.


You symbolize entire chapters to mean something ENTIRELY different.


I am trying to read the book of Revelation, and keep my name in the Book of Life.

You are BIG TIME gambling.

Sean you have no fear of God. If you did you wouldn't be making things up as you go along.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

No kidding, Mike.

The difference here is this,..... I use very little symbolism to try to see the passage clearer.


You symbolize entire chapters to mean something ENTIRELY different.


I am trying to read the book of Revelation, and keep my name in the Book of Life.

You are BIG TIME gambling.

Hey, A.D.D. boy, stop fooling around outside the issue at hand, and let's deal with this. how do you know the lamb is Jesus, and why is it symbolism, when the chapter does not say it is symbolism?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey, A.D.D. boy, stop fooling around outside the issue at hand, and let's deal with this. how do you know the lamb is Jesus, and why is it symbolism, when the chapter does not say it is symbolism?

I see the sign, then know what it means.

Easy peasy.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

I see the sign, then know what it means.

Easy peasy.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him

You are not answering me. HOW DO YOU KNOW it's a sign and not reality? What in the chapter says that?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You are not answering me. HOW DO YOU KNOW it's a sign and not reality? What in the chapter says that?

Sean?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You are not answering me. HOW DO YOU KNOW it's a sign and not reality? What in the chapter says that?

I cant say, so if I take a guess, it must only make the actual words of the passage CLEARER, and not allowing the meaning to be changed at all, or I will lose my salvation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

I cant say, so if I take a guess, it must only make the actual words of the passage CLEARER, and not allowing the meaning to be changed at all, or I will lose my salvation.

You say it is a SIGN but cannot say WHY?? Nothing in the chapter says it's a sign. The chapter does not even say the LAMb is "JESUS". But you say that is the case.

Tell me, what is the difference between you saying the Lamb is a SIGN of Jesus, when the chapter does not say so, and me saying the tree of life with leaves and fruit is a SIGN and the chapter does not say so?

What is the difference? What gives you a right to say the LAMB is a sign but not the TREE OF LIFE?

You cannot SAY but have to GUESS? Seriously?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

I cant say

Brother Blume this is over.

Good God from Zion!

Sean call a truce, you need that one teach you again.