Love One Another and the Cross

[Jermyn Davidson]

Bro Blume,
The whole notion of someone not being saved until they are baptized and that the right way is an example of attempting to get saved by works.

There are several scriptures that plainly disagree with the salvation message presented by most Apostolic church organizations. The very plain scriptures have to be twisted in order Acts 2:38 to mean the way Apostolics present it.

Then there is the way Apostolics present speaking in tongues.

The Apostolics present a works-based salvation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro Blume,
The whole notion of someone not being saved until they are baptized and that the right way is an example of attempting to get saved by works.

Nope. How many times must we say that baptism is the furthest thing from a work that one can get. It is baptism into the death of all hopes of us earning anything. We're good for nothing except death, let alone working to save ourselves. It's death to all our hopes of saving ourselves.

There are several scriptures that plainly disagree with the salvation message presented by most Apostolic church organizations. The very plain scriptures have to be twisted in order Acts 2:38 to mean the way Apostolics present it.

I totally disagree. Show and explain how.

Then there is the way Apostolics present speaking in tongues.

The Apostolics present a works-based salvation.

You are wrong as can be.

Jesus preached baptism is experienced BEFORE salvation, and Peter flatly stated it's part of salvation.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He did not say he that believes and is saved shall be baptized like you espouse.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It saves! It's part of salvation. How can you deny that after Peter flatly said it?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nope. How many times must we say that baptism is the furthest thing from a work that one can get. It is baptism into the death of all hopes of us earning anything. We're good for nothing except death, let alone working to save ourselves. It's death to all our hopes of saving ourselves.


I totally disagree. Show and explain how.



You are wrong as can be.

Jesus preached baptism is experienced BEFORE salvation, and Peter flatly stated it's part of salvation.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He did not say he that believes and is saved shall be baptized like you espouse.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It saves! It's part of salvation. How can you deny that after Peter flatly said it?

The answer of a good conscience...

If you really believe, like you confess with your mouth that you believe, then you will obey the scriptures by getting baptized.