Vetting failure led to terrorism?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

If you have a weak stomach, dont watch this...



http://shoebat.com/every-five-minute...ristian-lives/

Many of these images do not show the death of Christians as I recognize them from other videos I have watched.

But if these people are not born of the water and the Spirit, as Apostolics present, then is it a situation of satan's children killing satan's children?

Should I help these so-called christians live another day so that they can spread their false doctrines?

When these people die, according to Apostolic doctrine, the only place they can go is hell. Apostolic doctrine demands this! There is NO GRACE for the believer in the Trinity! NONE AT ALL-- according to current 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

So, if I provide help for them, it won't be because they are Christians because they are not saved and can't be Christian.

If I help them, it will be because they are human and it is in my means to help them.

However, there are millions of humans suffering over there-- all of them going to the same hell because none of them believe and practice the form of gospel as presented by 21st century American Apostolics.

If the Apostolics are right, I should save my money, pray for my immediate family instead, let satan's children kill satan's children, and pray for Jesus to hurry up and return.


Can't anyone else see that the form of gospel presented by Oneness Pentecostals absolutely prohibits anyone else who calls on the Name of the Lord from being saved?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't baptized in Name of Jesus, or Lord Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, or whatever other variation-- IMPOSSIBLE for them to be saved! If they don't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Ghost inside them and they MUST BE LOST according to Oneness Pentecostal doctrine!

So helping them would be the same as helping a Muslim and the same as helping a Baptist and the same as helping a Trinitarian Pentecostal-- they are all lost and going to the same hell anyway-- that is according to 21st century American Apostolic teachings.

They aren't brothers. Any appeal to help them will then appeal to helping them as humans, but like I asked, with countless millions of humans needing help, what makes these people special?

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, the answer can only be, "nothing".

They are not brothers. They are not sisters. They are not any more special than any other third world citizen that needs my help.

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, until they are baptized our way and until they speak in tongues, they are not saved, not born again, not Christians and ultimately, not special in a world with countless millions who are suffering and lost.

Do I believe this way? Nope, but it is why I can't be Apostolic.

I need consistency.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Over 2,000 years of history, countless MILLIONS of lives changed and inspired by FAITH in the Son of the Living God, all of them dead and BURNING in hell because they never spoke in tongues, BURNING for an eternity because they weren't baptized as we present they should be baptized.

Millions in these modern times, confessing faith in the Lord and striving to live the life their biblical faith professes-- on their way to hell because our doctrine precludes everyone but us from salvation.

satan's children are gonna kill and be killed, if in deed they are satan's children.

I might as well save my cash for my church's building fund!

[Jermyn Davidson]

A number that no man could number...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When these people die, according to Apostolic doctrine, the only place they can go is hell.

Can't anyone else see that the form of gospel presented by Oneness Pentecostals absolutely prohibits anyone else who calls on the Name of the Lord from being saved?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't baptized in Name of Jesus, or Lord Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, or whatever other variation-- IMPOSSIBLE for them to be saved! If they don't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Ghost inside them and they MUST BE LOST according to Oneness Pentecostal doctrine!

So helping them would be the same as helping a Muslim and the same as helping a Baptist and the same as helping a Trinitarian Pentecostal-- they are all lost and going to the same hell anyway-- that is according to 21st century American Apostolic teachings.

They aren't brothers. Any appeal to help them will then appeal to helping them as humans, but like I asked, with countless millions of humans needing help, what makes these people special?

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, the answer can only be, "nothing".

They are not brothers. They are not sisters. They are not any more special than any other third world citizen that needs my help.

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, until they are baptized our way and until they speak in tongues, they are not saved, not born again, not Christians and ultimately, not special in a world with countless millions who are suffering and lost.

Do I believe this way? Nope, but it is why I can't be Apostolic.

I need consistency.

That is baloney, I am an Apostolic and I do not teach what you are saying.

We do not condemn all other Christians to hell or say they are not really saved.

Just because we teach baptism in the name of Jesus does not mean that we automatically condemn all Trinitarians to Hell.

you are just blowing a whole lot of crazy smoke, you need to quit smoking that stuff from Mexico.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

That is baloney, I am an Apostolic and I do not teach what you are saying.

We do not condemn all other Christians to hell or say they are not really saved.

Just because we teach baptism in the name of Jesus does not mean that we automatically condemn all Trinitarians to Hell.

you are just blowing a whole lot of crazy smoke, you need to quit smoking that stuff from Mexico.

Nope. There is NO WAY for anyone who doesn't follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine to be saved, according to 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

Examine your doctrines and examine orthodox Christianity. If you're right, then you're really, really right AND the vast majority of all that the world has ever known of Christendom is in hell and burning with Genghis Khan, Emperor Nero, and Saddam Hussein.

If you're wrong, you're really, really wrong and it will only be by the Grace of God that the Apostolics will join the Baptists, Coptics, and Eastern Orthodox in that great number that no man can number.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The Bible can number cubits in various situations, but it can't number the number of people who follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine. Since Azusa, there must be multiplied trillions of believers in the Oneness of God, who have been baptized with the Name of Jesus somehow expressed over them, who have spoke in tongues, who wear no facial hair, make up and etc...

More than a google of them, because you can number a google.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible can number cubits in various situations, but it can't number the number of people who follow 21st century American Apostolic doctrine. Since Azusa, there must be multiplied trillions of believers in the Oneness of God, who have been baptized with the Name of Jesus somehow expressed over them, who have spoke in tongues, who wear no facial hair, make up and etc...

More than a google of them, because you can number a google.

You are deeply mistaken for not all Apostolics are UPCI, what you are saying is irrelevant to me and to many other of us Apostolics who are not UPCI.

Me thinks you are confusing and mixing many different issues.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You are deeply mistaken for not all Apostolics are UPCI, what you are saying is irrelevant to me and to many other of us Apostolics who are not UPCI.

Me thinks you are confusing and mixing many different issues.

Who are the Apostolics that look at Trinitarians as their brothers and sisters in Christ and plan on worshipping God for an eternity right next to them?

Who are the Apostolics that teach and preach you must be born again of the water and the Spirit, but if you believe and confess, you're still saved?

Who are the Apostolics who believe that water baptism saves you and but you can be saved before you are baptized?

Who are these doctrinally inconsistent Apostolics?

You don't get it.

The very nature of 21st century American Apostolic doctrine condemns all others to hell because they are the only ones who present their form of the gospel.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The very nature of 21st century American Apostolic doctrine condemns all others to hell because they are the only ones who present their form of the gospel.

I'm sorry, but JD, did you once attend First Pentecostal Gulag?

Dude why are you even here posting on an Apostolic forum if you hold such a low opinion of us and our churches?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Many of these images do not show the death of Christians as I recognize them from other videos I have watched.

But if these people are not born of the water and the Spirit, as Apostolics present, then is it a situation of satan's children killing satan's children?

Should I help these so-called christians live another day so that they can spread their false doctrines?

When these people die, according to Apostolic doctrine, the only place they can go is hell. Apostolic doctrine demands this! There is NO GRACE for the believer in the Trinity! NONE AT ALL-- according to current 21st century American Apostolic doctrine.

So, if I provide help for them, it won't be because they are Christians because they are not saved and can't be Christian.

If I help them, it will be because they are human and it is in my means to help them.

However, there are millions of humans suffering over there-- all of them going to the same hell because none of them believe and practice the form of gospel as presented by 21st century American Apostolics.

If the Apostolics are right, I should save my money, pray for my immediate family instead, let satan's children kill satan's children, and pray for Jesus to hurry up and return.


Can't anyone else see that the form of gospel presented by Oneness Pentecostals absolutely prohibits anyone else who calls on the Name of the Lord from being saved?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't baptized in Name of Jesus, or Lord Jesus, or Lord Jesus Christ, or whatever other variation-- IMPOSSIBLE for them to be saved! If they don't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Ghost inside them and they MUST BE LOST according to Oneness Pentecostal doctrine!

So helping them would be the same as helping a Muslim and the same as helping a Baptist and the same as helping a Trinitarian Pentecostal-- they are all lost and going to the same hell anyway-- that is according to 21st century American Apostolic teachings.

They aren't brothers. Any appeal to help them will then appeal to helping them as humans, but like I asked, with countless millions of humans needing help, what makes these people special?

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, the answer can only be, "nothing".

They are not brothers. They are not sisters. They are not any more special than any other third world citizen that needs my help.

In order to be consistent as an Apostolic, until they are baptized our way and until they speak in tongues, they are not saved, not born again, not Christians and ultimately, not special in a world with countless millions who are suffering and lost.

Do I believe this way? Nope, but it is why I can't be Apostolic.

I need consistency.

Wait a minute JD...I have NEVER said any professing Christians are going to hell(except for preterists)


I have told folks the martyrs will be judged according to their works, and what a way to go...as a professing Christian!

You must be born again to see or experience the kingdom of God within you. That is all the Bible allows me to teach.

Everyone else will be judged according to their works.

God will judge them as He wishes, and rightly.