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Old 12-07-2015, 01:15 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross

Are you saying Muslims need someone to tell them the cross of Christ's death is necessary for their salvation, but just that a hypocrite is not the person to do it?
yesterday i might have said that; but now i am saying that Muslims or anyone else should run from anyone who approaches them in that manner, as they are hypocrites, however well-meaning they may be. If one has not demonstrated Christ in their life, and considers you lost until you agree with them verbally about some understanding of the Cross, run.

I noted you're not answering me because you're not dealing with the core point I am seeking for. You're not telling me what they need to be told.
Amen. You illuminate why verbal agreement is pointless; because you believe that you have something to tell them that will save them, and seek a verbal declaration of understanding as evidence. The core is hollow, iow.

It seems to me, correct me if I'm wrong, you think a person is a hypocrite just because they think Muslims need to be told they need the death of Jesus. And that means NO ONE CAN TELL THEM THEY NEED the death of Jesus, because hypocrites can;t tell them, and anyone who tells them is a hypocrite. You got them locked up without he gospel ever coming to them. You think if a person feels the need to tel muslims about the death of Jesus for salvation, they are "US FOUR AND NO MORE" hypocrites.
Preach it, brother!

Would YOU tell a muslim they need Jesus' death on the cross?
no; see, i have this beam here, in my own eye...

That means NO ONE can tell them that, because the only ones who ever would tell them that are hypocrites. The only way to not be a hypocrite in your assessment is to not tell people they're sinners and not preach the gospel to them.
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:47 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross

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Are you saying Muslims need someone to tell them the cross of Christ's death is necessary for their salvation, but just that a hypocrite is not the person to do it?
yesterday i might have said that; but now i am saying that Muslims or anyone else should run from anyone who approaches them in that manner, as they are hypocrites, however well-meaning they may be. If one has not demonstrated Christ in their life, and considers you lost until you agree with them verbally about some understanding of the Cross, run.

You don't tell anyone whom you think is saved that they need the cross when they never heard anything about the cross. So, to you, anyone who considers any human being as lost should not preach to that human being. Gothca! Nobody can preach to ANYONE.

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I noted you're not answering me because you're not dealing with the core point I am seeking for. You're not telling me what they need to be told.
Amen. You illuminate why verbal agreement is pointless; because you believe that you have something to tell them that will save them, and seek a verbal declaration of understanding as evidence. The core is hollow, iow.
Missed my point. I could care less about anyone's opinion. What does the bible say to tell them?

You won't answer. You keep making it about me.

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It seems to me, correct me if I'm wrong, you think a person is a hypocrite just because they think Muslims need to be told they need the death of Jesus. And that means NO ONE CAN TELL THEM THEY NEED the death of Jesus, because hypocrites can;t tell them, and anyone who tells them is a hypocrite. You got them locked up without he gospel ever coming to them. You think if a person feels the need to tel muslims about the death of Jesus for salvation, they are "US FOUR AND NO MORE" hypocrites.
Preach it, brother!
How ironic! Cannot preach to anyone and you encourage me to preach how we cannot preach. Yep lots of circles here.

Can't tell anyone they're lost, when the bible says to tell the sinner they're lost. NIce way to annihilate the gospel message. Satan would love it!

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Would YOU tell a muslim they need Jesus' death on the cross?
no; see, i have this beam here, in my own eye...
Wow. You are a half empty kind of guy. Just be telling people they are lost means a person has a beam in their own eye.

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That means NO ONE can tell them that, because the only ones who ever would tell them that are hypocrites. The only way to not be a hypocrite in your assessment is to not tell people they're sinners and not preach the gospel to them.
Finally, we have a breakthrough! Amen!
So no one can preach to sinners or else they're hypocrites.

Yep. Satan loves the cessation of the gospel. I am glad someone told me I was a sinner.

Peter, what a hypocrite:

Act 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

He told people to repent. Hypocrite, Peter!

Mat 9:13 KJV But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus came to tell sinners they need to repent. Just destroyed His message, Shazeep.

And John said those who deny the Son are antichrists. Better not repeat that because that means we're hypocrites and John was the biggest of all because he identified them. Cannot identify anyone!

Man the devil sure wraps people up with nonsense so they cannot even spread the gospel. No wonder you don't like those verses. No wonder you stay away from the ones I quoted.
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Old 12-07-2015, 02:06 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross

The bible sure encourages what you call grounds for hypocrisy, Shazeep.

Act 16:10 KJV And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Rom 1:15 KJV So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

Rom 15:20 KJV Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

1Co 1:17 KJV For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

2Co 2:12 KJV Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord,

Gal 1:9 KJV As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 KJV As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Mat 24:14 KJV And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


That would never get done according to your philosophy.

Thank God people disagree with you.
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