Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sorry. I read it all and the text says those who claim they believe it IS God's law that Christ is Son of God are to be fought. I read your assessment of what was said later and see no grounds for your claim the full context does not says what Brown suggested it says. You're reaching for straws on this one. I proved it in my response.

ok, well if your position is that the Qur'an expressly advises violence against Jews and Christians who are faithful--even though Jews don't believe that Christ was the Son--then you still have no leg to stand on. I will grant that there are passages that a Christian can misinterpret, and you have found one.

Score one against their dogma. There are some others. Of course, you are taking a definition of fought here that is not intended. I am not here to defend anyone's dogma, but you are making a case with one passage, and not applying many, many others. The context in which the Qur'an was written is also being ignored; the RCC--literally 'those who claim they believe...' at that time--was making hell on earth then.

If what you say is true, then it would be impossible for me to, say, find an image of devout Muslims praying with any Jews or Christians (or for that matter cooperating with them in any way, as that would not be fighting). Would that be a fair assumption?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, well if your position is that the Qur'an expressly advises violence against Jews and Christians who are faithful--even though Jews don't believe that Christ was the Son--

See? Talk about misreading. They Quran said Jews believe Ezra is the son of God. Taht was grounds for them to fight Jews.

then you still have no leg to stand on. I will grant that there are passages that a Christian can misinterpret, and you have found one.

Reaching fro straws, just as you said it's a matter of interpretation when John flatly stated denial of the son is antichrist and Koran says God has no son in many instances. How can anyone talk to you? You twist plain statements.

Score one against their dogma. There are some others. Of course, you are taking a definition of fought here that is not intended.

Oh, now FIGHT is up for interpretation!!!

Unreal.

I am not here to defend anyone's dogma, but you are making a case with one passage, and not applying many, many others.

I said everything Brown listed was not out of context, but you're apt to twisting things.

The context in which the Qur'an was written is also being ignored; the RCC--literally 'those who claim they believe...' at that time--was making hell on earth then.

Matters not. They said fight christians because christians believe Jesus is son of God and it is unlawful to ALLAH to believe He has a son. Funny why that and the Jews' alleged belief in Ezra as son of God was mentioned first before anything to do with greed, etc.

If what you say is true, then it would be impossible for me to, say, find an image of devout Muslims praying with any Jews or Christians (or for that matter cooperating with them in any way, as that would not be fighting). Would that be a fair assumption?

Hey, it's their book and it said what it said. You talk about many christians disobeying the bible.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey, it's their book and it said what it said. You talk about many christians disobeying the bible.

well, either i am twisting or i am not. Twisting can also be viewed as regarding the other pov. Read what you like--but when it comes down to cases, if what you believe is true, then no Muslim would ever cooperate with a Christian or Jew in any way, let alone pray with them. And surely not allow themselves to be photographed doing this--they would be ostracized, wouldn't they?

And of course you already know that i could dig up an image of A Muslim--and not just any Muslim, either; prominent Imams, multiple--praying together with Jews and Christians. So there is a dichotomy, a disconnect, a lie here, somewhere. Once again, it comes down to what are you seeking?

Why do you claim to follow Whom shall i fear? yet quite obviously invest yourselves in Fear Islam! How can anyone come to any other conclusion than that you are raging hypocrites, like your masters?

You think you are fit to judge Muslims, when you can't even judge yourselves? And further, you imagine that you can mock God without consequences. Shame on you. You will be the same ones who, gee, just cannot figure out why your children detest you, and date Muslims.

Do what you will do, but don't be surprised, ok? God will be served even in this, so since you have warning, you can maybe invent some justification to your friends for why your daughter is marrying a Muslim.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, either i am twisting or i am not. Twisting can also be viewed as regarding the other pov. Read what you like--but when it comes down to cases, if what you believe is true, then no Muslim would ever cooperate with a Christian or Jew in any way, let alone pray with them. And surely not allow themselves to be photographed doing this--they would be ostracized, wouldn't they?

And of course you already know that i could dig up an image of A Muslim--and not just any Muslim, either; prominent Imams, multiple--praying together with Jews and Christians. So there is a dichotomy, a disconnect, a lie here, somewhere. Once again, it comes down to what are you seeking?

Why do you claim to follow Whom shall i fear? yet quite obviously invest yourselves in Fear Islam! How can anyone come to any other conclusion than that you are raging hypocrites, like your masters?

You think you are fit to judge Muslims, when you can't even judge yourselves? And further, you imagine that you can mock God without consequences. Shame on you. You will be the same ones who, gee, just cannot figure out why your children detest you, and date Muslims.

Do what you will do, but don't be surprised, ok? God will be served even in this, so since you have warning, you can maybe invent some justification to your friends for why your daughter is marrying a Muslim.

Do muslims think Christians are lost?

[mfblume]

Shazeep,

If Muslims think Christians are lost, that would not stop them from hedging into Christian territories and praying side by side. I think Muslims are lost and I would pray side by side with them, to get the influence of Christ to them. I think their god doesn't exist, so I 'd have nothing to fear.

Please elaborate on your reasoning about this issue.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep,

If Muslims think Christians are lost, that would not stop them from hedging into Christian territories and praying side by side. I think Muslims are lost and I would pray side by side with them, to get the influence of Christ to them. I think their god doesn't exist, so I 'd have nothing to fear.

Please elaborate on your reasoning about this issue.

now all the sudden the word "fight" that i "twisted the definition of" earlier has turned into "pray" for you? Not to be rude, but i have to go for now.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

now all the sudden the word "fight" that i "twisted the definition of" earlier has turned into "pray" for you? Not to be rude, but i have to go for now.

I am currently chatting live to a mulsim and asking him about lost or not with Christians/

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Do muslims think Christians are lost?

Mike, you think most Christians are lost, hello.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Mike, you think most Christians are lost, hello.

Can't answer?

When it comes to Christians, Shazeep, I will not say they're lost like I will muslims. You will not find a statement anywhere where I did. Look for it. I say obey Acts 2:38, but I will not say YOU ARE LOST if you did not and are Christian. I leave that section up to God. Seriously. Look. I don't want to be in their shoes, but I will not say they are lost.