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Old 12-18-2015, 10:50 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim

I'd like to see just one Scripture that says 'Jesus is not God'.
i would think "God is the head of Christ" might be pretty conclusive. But didn't Christ call himself "Son of man?" But really, the point might be that even Christians do not agree here, and never will; yet you insist that a Muslim--the original "Protestants"--should?

Just like you. You believe you have the truth...
the difference being that i was asked, here, and Mike was not asked, there.

A servant of God will be busy trying to tell all men everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. A servant of satan would balk at that.
Many will cry "Lord, Lord." These tell men everywhere those things, too. And yet they might be characterized as "barring the door." How can this be so?

What nonsense. 'You have to admit...' No we don't! Why?
well, i guess you don't have to; you are right. I would say that that is a fair generalization for just about everyone on the planet; "We are special."

What arrogance! Like you and your little crystal ball can see into the hearts of men you don't like?
Men i don't like? You kind of lost me there. I made a self-evident statement; Mike did not go to this site curious about Islam, as a student might. Also evident is that he is not seeking where he might agree with any Muslims; he is seeking for areas of disagreement, which also defines how our sects are formed, which is subtly different from heresy. OP is hardly considered heretical; it is mainstream. "Fundamental."

First of all, the ends brother Blume is trying to achieve is to show YOU that Muslims do not believe what YOU SAY they believe. And he proved they do not believe what YOU CLAIM they believe, by asking a Muslim.
I would say the opposite, with all due respect. The man plainly said that Christ is highly respected, and was to be followed. How a Muslim could even still admit as much, with his olive trees being pulled up by wannabe Jews in bed with wannabe Christians, and his cousin's wedding getting drone-bombed, and his Syrian sister's town getting leveled, i do not understand. Do you? If you put yourself in his place, could you possibly say the same thing? I don't think i could.

Second of all, what horse puckey is this 'I'm pretty sure Hitler would enthusiastically agree with him'???? Agree with who? Brother Blume? What do you know about Hitler anyway? Nothing, I'm sure. It looks to me like you get your knowledge from googling internet memes alone. Hitler was no apostolic, neither was he a Christian...
Well, Hitler claimed to be a Christian, apparently quite enthusiastically; a Fundie, if the rumors are true. But you are right again, i really don't know.

Can you not comprehend the basics of simple reality? If one person is a Buddhist, and another person is not, then they are DIFFERENT. I mean (wait for it...) DUH!!!!
And yet in all fairness, aren't they much more alike than they are different, if all that separates them is religion? Wouldn't "hypocrites" or "not hypocrites" be a more natural spiritual divide?

'Saved' and 'lost' are simple - salvation IS being a follower of Jesus Christ, as explained and taught by Christ and his apostles. Lost IS anything other than that.
well then, according to my interpretation--which i got from other Christians, it is hardly mine alone--you are lost and going to hell if you don't change your mind, Esaias, and i can demonstrate this with Scripture. I will help you as much as i can. PM me if you would like to pray about it
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Old 12-19-2015, 10:01 PM
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim

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First of all, the ends brother Blume is trying to achieve is to show YOU that Muslims do not believe what YOU SAY they believe. And he proved they do not believe what YOU CLAIM they believe, by asking a Muslim.
I would say the opposite, with all due respect. The man plainly said that Christ is highly respected, and was to be followed. How a Muslim could even still admit as much, with his olive trees being pulled up by wannabe Jews in bed with wannabe Christians, and his cousin's wedding getting drone-bombed, and his Syrian sister's town getting leveled, i do not understand. Do you? If you put yourself in his place, could you possibly say the same thing? I don't think i could.
No, he said those who believe Jesus is Son of God are lost. Again, so simple a child can understand it.


So I proved that your accusation of us saying we are lost because we said Muslims are lost is self-contradictory since the muslims you claim can be saved and still be muslims likewise believe WE ARE LOST as a wholesale group. Fact is, you actually are unaware of Muslim faith as you are Christian faith.
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