New Birth

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Believing in the bible did not mean what we think today. It involved more. Jesus stated in John 17:20 that we must believe on him through the apostles' words. And when we read references to the need to believe such as in 1 John, without any clarification, we must go to where they actually preached to people, in Acts. There we find the full deal with how to believe and what it entailed.

Shag correctly noted the meaning of believe as being to fully trust and rely. Hes hardly speaking out on favor of easy believism. He's just pointing out the lunacy that any of you guys who are consistent condemn everyone. Not just unbelievers, not just quasi Christian groups, not just trinitarians, but also most oneness pentecostal consider a great number of other oneness pentecostals as damned also.

Wycliffe, Hus, Wesley, Edwards, Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, all condemned. Hymn writers, Bible translators, missionaries, martyrs, essentially all lost, according to yall.

And thats just core doctrine. When God starts culling out all the compromisers had a TV, wore a necklace, ear ring, women who wore pants (ever) or trimmed their hair, guys who grew a beard, those who attended the movies, any who failed to pay 100% of 10% of their lifetime earnings, any who held incorrect eschatalogical views, etc, etc. Well then theres going to be about 13 people saved, and not even the apostles make the cut.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Shag correctly noted the meaning of believe as being to fully trust and rely. Hes hardly speaking out on favor of easy believism. He's just pointing out the lunacy that any of you guys who are consistent condemn everyone. Not just unbelievers, not just quasi Christian groups, not just trinitarians, but also most oneness pentecostal consider a great number of other oneness pentecostals as damned also.

Wycliffe, Hus, Wesley, Edwards, Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, all condemned. Hymn writers, Bible translators, missionaries, martyrs, essentially all lost, according to yall.

And thats just core doctrine. When God starts culling out all the compromisers had a TV, wore a necklace, ear ring, women who wore pants (ever) or trimmed their hair, guys who grew a beard, those who attended the movies, any who failed to pay 100% of 10% of their lifetime earnings, any who held incorrect eschatalogical views, etc, etc. Well then theres going to be about 13 people saved, and not even the apostles make the cut.

Believe is what the apostles explained as believe. And everytime you count heads to determine doctrine, you're offkey, bro.

I fo rone said nothing about TV, and all the rest. You lump things and people together unjustly.

But although your 13 is a fierce exaggeration, even that's better than Noah's day where only 8 were saved.

I don't judge those partway through the plan of salvation. But I still preach Acts 2:38. Period. I am just a messenger, not the judge.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The "ROCK" that Jesus built His Church on is the foundation of His Identity as the "Son of the Living God".

Look at the faith of the genuine believers down through the centuries. Yes there are some differences but one thing that has been consistently taught and believed is the Sonship of Jesus Christ.

The doctrines behind water baptism(s) and even Communion has varied through history, but they were apparently varied even at the point of time when the Bible was still being written!

Still, Jesus Christ, His Identity as the Son of God, has ALWAYS been a hallmark of Christianity.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The "ROCK" that Jesus built His Church on is the foundation of His Identity as the "Son of the Living God".

Look at the faith of the genuine believers down through the centuries. Yes there are some differences but one thing that has been consistently taught and believed is the Sonship of Jesus Christ.

The doctrines behind water baptism(s) and even Communion has varied through history, but they were apparently varied even at the point of time when the Bible was still being written!

Still, Jesus Christ, His Identity as the Son of God, has ALWAYS been a hallmark of Christianity.

Of course, which is partly why I don't judge those who only did PART of what the apostles taught. But when you say they varied on things while the bible was being written is to imply, like others actually suggest, that Peter was wrong in Acts 2. No way.