Love One Another and the Cross

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i think if/when good deeds are seen as the product, the fruit, and not the means to the salvational end, although nonetheless vital proof, this becomes clearer as not salvation by works.

What is the means to the salvational end?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You can't actually interpret a verse here, can you? And here I thought we were actually getting somewhere.

well, i tell you. I have interpreted this verse, and i am comfortable with my interpretation. Give me a Good Samaritan over someone who immediately volunteers that they are a Christian any day. I wish this wasn't true, but there it is. So no, i am not interested in interpreting any verses for others.

A point here is that this is a forum, and so we can only talk; and i don't think Christ can be served by talking.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i tell you. I have interpreted this verse, and i am comfortable with my interpretation. Give me a Good Samaritan over someone who immediately volunteers that they are a Christian any day. I wish this wasn't true, but there it is. So no, i am not interested in interpreting any verses for others.

A point here is that this is a forum, and so we can only talk; and i don't think Christ can be served by talking.

Didn't think you could talk actual scripture. I gave it a shot, anyway.

Thanks, though.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What is the means to the salvational end?

Why is the First Son considered as doing his Father's will, when he obviously refused verbally to do so? But i think our conception of salvation is so hopelessly whacked that the question is almost irrelevant; of course i am supposed to say "the cross," and i truly believe that--but i still run from people who volunteer "Christian!" now

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Didn't think you could talk actual scripture. I gave it a shot, anyway.

Thanks, though.

mmmkay, have a nice day

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Why is the First Son considered as doing his Father's will, when he obviously refused verbally to do so? But i think our conception of salvation is so hopelessly whacked that the question is almost irrelevant; of course i am supposed to say "the cross," and i truly believe that--but i still run from people who volunteer "Christian!" now

Are you going to actually talk about that scripture or not, seeing as I already addressed it way back anyway? Nah, you proved too many times otherwise.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Are you going to actually talk about that scripture or not, seeing as I already addressed it way back anyway? Nah, you proved too many times otherwise.

well, as i said, i think it might be better that someone else answer you, if an answer is even required. Our positions are both pretty clear imo, at this point; i forgot that you have a different position on First Son, too.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, as i said, i think it might be better that someone else answer you, if an answer is even required. Our positions are both pretty clear imo, at this point; i forgot that you have a different position on First Son, too.

Seeing as you thought my words on law's purpose were unknown to you, and I showed scholars abound with such thoughts, I really don't think you know what my position is -- that, along with the repeated misrepresentations you've made.

But you are right here. Be best to talk to someone else.

[shazeep]

ya, i'm hideous, you are the champion

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, i'm hideous, you are the champion

Hey, I asked to chat. You refused. YOU can judge that, not me. lol