Love One Another and the Cross

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i just never heard it applied to Christ's imperative that "Love God and your neighbor is 9/10ths of the law and prophets," no. It seems to torture the context, to me, and make what Christ is saying here moot. Gal 6:14 puts it even more directly, 14For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself. And that is Paul!

Now yes of course keeping the law (a la Job) as a means to salvation fails; the law was given to reveal sin, we couldn't keep even one law, all that. Job kept them all, i guess, was called righteous, yet prayed to God at the beginning (of Job), and did not pray to Father until the end. Job is a chronicle of a law-keeper's change of heart.

But these are two different concepts, and the Gal reference provides that the law is fulfilled by this, if Christ's phrasing--which at least includes God, lol--seems ambiguous. Ha so here i am leaning on Paul now, when your best argument seems to rely on...well, God in Christ's

The explanation I gave for Paul's words about Law's purpose is pretty much standard amongst all those who accept Paul's words as inspired as the rest of the bible. It may only be obscure to those who don't delve into the details Paul teaches in each chapter with overall context in mind.

Anyway, I totally disagree that Christ would not have approved of Paul's message, and feel all the bible as we have it complements itself throughout.

I still would like to see how you can explain you don't espouse salvation by works without just saying you don't.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The explanation I gave for Paul's words about Law's purpose is pretty much standard amongst all those who accept Paul's words as inspired as the rest of the bible. It may only be obscure to those who don't delve into the details Paul teaches in each chapter with overall context in mind.

Anyway, I totally disagree that Christ would not have approved of Paul's message, and feel all the bible as we have it complements itself throughout.

I still would like to see how you can explain you don't espouse salvation by works without just saying you don't.

well, i have been trying to figure out how; after all, they will appear the same from an observer's pov. I mean, how is Faith without works is dead not salvation by works? It is a matter of what state the heart is in. And i don't mean to say that Christ would not have approved of Paul's message, but that Paul was likely given for a snare. There can be no argument that a girl walking in to 711 in a bra is in sin on some level--even if one's personal standards of modesty don't apply--but the point is a pure heart would not even notice such things. ya, that helped