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Old 03-07-2016, 11:58 AM
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Re: God can prevent himself from being omniscient.

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I've come to think that at times God can prevent himself from being omniscient.
I was reading my bible and asked myself an interesting question. Perhaps AFF posters, such as Praxeas, CC1, Pressing-On, Evan-Benincasa can weigh in on the matter.
Genesis 6:6 reads
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
After witnessing how wicked the human race had become, God had regretted creating humanity.
Now, for my questions,
If God was a constant omniscient God, why did God experience feelings of remorse about creating humanity?
After all, if He was omniscient while creating humanity, he knew what He was getting into when creating humanity. God would have known that humanity would become wicked.
Why feel remorse and/or feel repentant about a situation you already knew would occur?
If God stopped being omniscient, He would not be God!

You don't understand. not knowing God's plan.
God KNEW man would sin, but His plan was for us to LOVE HIM
as He loves us: so He created man, to express His love in us!
God did not repent of His plan: it hurt Him that so many would
not heed His call. It hurt Him that man was hurting himself so
much. But it was the END of the matter that kept Him fulfilling
His love! You see, God also SAW that there would be those who
believed and obeyed.

Have you not read: "...who for the joy that was set before him
endured the cross, despising the shame..."
What joy, you ask?
The joy of seeing us BELIEVE AND OBEY his will! Or have you
not understood that in the Garden of Gethsemane, when he was
pouring out his soul to the Father, Jesus asked for the cup to be
taken out of the way. But the Father allowed him a glimpse PAST
the suffering and shame of Calvary; even to the very day of our
redemption...and to our place with him in glory: and Jesus then
rejoiced saying:

"...nevertheless, not my will, but Thine, be done."
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Old 03-07-2016, 05:26 PM
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Re: God can prevent himself from being omniscient.

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If God stopped being omniscient, He would not be God!

You don't understand. not knowing God's plan.
God KNEW man would sin, but His plan was for us to LOVE HIM
as He loves us: so He created man, to express His love in us!
God did not repent of His plan: it hurt Him that so many would
not heed His call. It hurt Him that man was hurting himself so
much. But it was the END of the matter that kept Him fulfilling
His love! You see, God also SAW that there would be those who
believed and obeyed.

Have you not read: "...who for the joy that was set before him
endured the cross, despising the shame..."
What joy, you ask?
The joy of seeing us BELIEVE AND OBEY his will! Or have you
not understood that in the Garden of Gethsemane, when he was
pouring out his soul to the Father, Jesus asked for the cup to be
taken out of the way. But the Father allowed him a glimpse PAST
the suffering and shame of Calvary; even to the very day of our
redemption...and to our place with him in glory: and Jesus then
rejoiced saying:

"...nevertheless, not my will, but Thine, be done."
God doesn't have to prevent himself from being omniscient to not know what someone might do in a given situation. He could know some things as possibilities...every possibility that could come to pass. There are times in the bible when God thought "surely they will do this" and they do something else!
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Old 03-07-2016, 05:29 PM
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Re: God can prevent himself from being omniscient.

I am concerned about topics like this because it puts God beneath a mircroscope, so who do we think we are? lol And most of all it doesn't affect how we grow spiritually. It's more like brain candy than anything beneficial.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:21 PM
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Re: God can prevent himself from being omniscient.

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I am concerned about topics like this because it puts God beneath a mircroscope, so who do we think we are? lol And most of all it doesn't affect how we grow spiritually. It's more like brain candy than anything beneficial.
I disagree.

This topic addresses really important questions that people ask when bad things happen to them. Depending on you view of God's foreknowledge, predestination, etc, if you hold to a view that God has a blueprint view of the future in which he meticulously controls everything, then if your child is murdered, it was God's will for them to be murdered, or the Holocaust was God's will, etc. This view harmonizes with the concept of free will and God limiting his control of his creation so that we can make choices that either or agree or disagree with God's will for our lives. So when beings with free will (human, angelic, demonic) make choices that affect our lives in a bad way, we don't have to blame God or believe that God has anything to do with the troubles that come our way. But we know that God can take those things that others meant for evil and turn them around for our God.

In the blueprint view of God's foreknowledge, prayer doesn't really change God mind. But we read in the Bible that intercessory prayer changes outcomes. Prayer really affects God. It puts the onus on us to pray otherwise things won't get done in the kingdom that God wants done.
http://reknew.org/2015/05/does-praye...change-things/

I want to know the deep things of God. I don't believe Open Theism has God in a box or explains everything about God's foreknowledge comprehensively but I like it better than other explanations.

Does it help with spiritual growth and our becoming more and more like Jesus? I think it does.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:43 AM
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Re: God can prevent himself from being omniscient.

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I am concerned about topics like this because it puts God beneath a mircroscope, so who do we think we are? lol And most of all it doesn't affect how we grow spiritually. It's more like brain candy than anything beneficial.
Mfblume,

I meant no disrespect toward God regarding this topic. However, as with any relationship, you desire to know and understand the person you're in a relationship with. As is I with God. I'm not aware of any prohibitions in regard to learning about God.


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