Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

Jesus loves you, too, Mike, and i'm sorry i have been poking you so hard, but you are a good guy trapped in a really vicious dogma, and i hope you come to see that i just want you to read the Bible for yourself.

Religion doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, and if that is what you have gotten from Scripture then let me suggest that if you seek it you will find it, which sounds trite but surely you would agree that you are predisposed to not see this in your reading; it is you that must dispose yourself here. Read a version you have never read, maybe, even a weird one, that seems to help. Break the spell.

i mean, i could give you like 100 Scriptures that will tell you that your religion will not save you (just ask a Jew ), which is what i've been trying to do; but coming from me just won't be as good as some other route at this point, i guess.

Anyone else believe religion = salvation? You can surely get better perspectives than mine anyway.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Jesus loves you, too, Mike, and i'm sorry i have been poking you so hard, but you are a good guy trapped in a really vicious dogma, and i hope you come to see that i just want you to read the Bible for yourself.

Religion doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, and if that is what you have gotten from Scripture then let me suggest that if you seek it you will find it, which sounds trite but surely you would agree that you are predisposed to not see this in your reading; it is you that must dispose yourself here. Read a version you have never read, maybe, even a weird one, that seems to help. Break the spell.

i mean, i could give you like 100 Scriptures that will tell you that your religion will not save you (just ask a Jew ), which is what i've been trying to do; but coming from me just won't be as good as some other route at this point, i guess.

Anyone else believe religion = salvation? You can surely get better perspectives than mine anyway.

Religion is not salvation. Religion is a set of beliefs. You twist my words and intents. You won't have to apologize if you just stop taking what I say and assuming the worst. lol

I never said religion is salvation. You said religion does not matter. Religion is a set of beliefs. You are saying sets of beliefs do not matter. Unless religions is something else to you.

You have insulted me more than anyone on this forum. But I am not concerned over that. I am wanting to simply talk bible. I got my views from the bible. Many of them no one taught me because many of the scriptures no one talked about. I simply intensely studied the bible and learned these things, and sought out other teachers and had them help me with the same scriptures, and found we agreed! It's like what Paul did with the apostles in Galatians. It's what we all should do.

But give any excuse you want for not talking bible. It's open for any to join in and chime in with agreement or disagreement and discussion. It's the best way to chat. But you won't. Sir, you did not even know why Israel was said to not have mixed the word with faith after seeing miracles in Egypt, and you say I am predisposed to believing certain things? I guess it's all you've known and never met those many who actually got their teaching from the Word without any predisposition, causing them to change their beliefs. So you think everyone does that. Actual discussion of hte word allows you to point out what flawed predisposition is present if I have any, but you won't do it to even deal with that. I think I know why. Your words cannot stand actual biblical scrutiny. Not my scrutiny. Actual biblical scrutiny.

So see ya! Have a great day!