Are all Catholics lost?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The Catholic Catechism For Adults on page 52 says,

"Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught."

The Faith of Millions, on pages 153-154:

"The Bible does not contain all the teaching of the Christian religion, nor does it formulate all the duties of its members."

The Catechism For Adults on page 10:

"How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God's official interpreter, the Catholic Church."

The Catechism For Adults on page 56:

"Why can't the Catholic Church ever teach error? Because Jesus promised to be always with His Church to protect it from error."

The book, "My Catholic Faith" says on page 144:

"Jesus Christ promised to preserve the Church from error."

On page 145, it says,

"Jesus Christ commanded all men to listen to and obey the Church, under pain of damnation. If His Church can teach error then He is responsible for the error, by commanding all to obey."

On page 54 the Catechism For Adults:

"Does everyone have to obey the Catholic Church? Yes, because she alone has the authority of Jesus to rule and to teach."

James Cardinal Gibbons, a Catholic Archbishop said in "The Faith of Our Fathers", p. 82:

"Jesus our Lord, founded but one Church, which He was pleased to build on Peter. Therefore, any church that does not recognize Peter as its foundation stone is not the Church of Christ, and therefore cannot stand, for it is not the work of God."

"Answer Wisely," by Martin J. Scott says on p. 49:

"The pope, therefore, as vicar of Christ, is the visible head of Christ's kingdom on earth, the Church, of which Christ Himself is the invisible head."

The book Father Smith Instructs Jackson, by John F. Noll and Lester J. Fallon, on page 42 says:

"According to the will of Christ, all its members profess the same faith, have the same worship and Sacraments, and are united under the one and same visible head, the Pope."

Comments, Shazeep?

you are presenting valid objections to Catholic doctrine, but not justifications for condemning an individual who identifies as Catholic imo.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you are presenting valid objections to Catholic doctrine, but not justifications for condemning an individual who identifies as Catholic imo.

If people believe those doctrinal truths, that makes them catholics. They would not be catholics if they did not believe those doctrinal statements. So, the doctrine is what makes the person a a catholic. So, if you believe those doctrinal statements are valid arguments against catholicism, then what does that say about people who believe those statements?

Put it this way:

Do you believe that people who hold those beliefs stated in those doctrines are saved?

You see, this is what you have been missing all along in my arguments. It's not PEOPLE that are the issue. It is DOCTRINE. BELIEF. And those who hold BELIEFS contrary to the word are in violation of salvation. You don't agree? You keep trying to make it about people, but the whole reason anyone is lost is not because of their person, but because of their BELIEF that violates the Word. That's the reason I have been saying it's not a sect, but rather what the bible says and whether or not we agree with the bible. the bible makes statements that directly contradict the doctrines I listed. So how can a person be saved if they believe a doctrine the bible contradicts?