Are all Catholics lost?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You speak as though love supersedes the scriptures, a though the scriptures are not the ultimate decision and statement of God. You speak as though whatever the word says, that's not what we should go by as if the word is arbitrary based upon some OTHER standard of God. You say we are being legalistic (when you do not know what legalism even is), and that implies you believe the WORD is useless and cannot be depended upon as the final say in all issues, as though the love of God and His word are not complementary, with the word being less.

For you to accuse us of being lawyers when we state the word says such and such in response to your claims, is for you to believe the Word of God is simply not understood properly without some hocus pocus version of love. Hence, your view of love is skewed.

yet you get flustered when you have quoted some Paul at me, and i quote Christ on the same subject. Doesn't that tell you anything?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yet you get flustered when you have quoted some Paul at me, and i quote Christ on the same subject. Doesn't that tell you anything?

Flustered? Not at all. lol.

You think Paul and Jesus contradicted one another? the word flows together and is complementary, not contradictory. I just related what the word said.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Flustered? Not at all. lol.
You think Paul and Jesus contradicted one another? the word flows together and is complementary, not contradictory. I just related what the word said.

AMEN!

[shazeep]

doctrine seems to me to mostly be the way people justify sitting on the fence and participating in the world while purporting to follow Christ.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Flustered? Not at all. lol.

You think Paul and Jesus contradicted one another? the word flows together and is complementary, not contradictory. I just related what the word said.

ok, i am beyond going to the list i have of posts between us on the matter, as that would simply be pointless and unkind, so i will just state as fact that it is you who did not seem to take the Christian quotes as complementary with the Pauline ones, going so far as to attempt to reason away 'love your neighbor' as some misguided attempt to follow the law.

So while i understand the difficulty in reconciling Christ and Paul at times, your 'i just related what the Word said' becomes a matter of preference. i just related what the Word said, too. This ends up being code for 'i am right, and you can't argue,' wadr. You can posit that 'the Word flows together' all you like, but this seems to be trying to apologize for the passages that contradict you (or anyone) when one chooses what i would call too firm a position on a matter, for lack of a better characterization, and i suggest that this is Scripture trying to tell you something, which you are free to ignore or deny if you like.

And strictly because this has brought this back to mind, i don't see how women might be saved in childbirth could mean "by the birth of Christ," as that would cover men, too, rendering the syntax there incorrectly imo.