Are all Catholics lost?

[shazeep]

My point is a person is not a catholic if they do not hold that view, for the catholic dogma states that view. Son in a sense we agree. Unless terms are used for the same purpose and in the same way, there is confusion and misrepresentation. So, basically you said the same thing I did, because you said a person who holds the dogma that non-catholics are lost is lost, where as I meant one who holds that dogma is a catholic. To me a catholic is not anyone except someone who holds those dogmas of catholicism.

yet there are Pentecostals whom you might not feel are "really" Pentecostals because they are Trinnies, etc., so to me it seems that there is no allowance for others to define various doctrines for themselves, which all of us naturally do. I have already stated that you equally have no proof that people who believe Catholicism completely--priests or the pope or whatever--are "lost," and i think we have both had abundant opportunity to clarify any semantics here, so i'm not grasping what this re-re-re-hash is meant to accomplish, sorry.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

My point is a person is not a catholic if they do not hold that view, for the catholic dogma states that view. Son in a sense we agree. Unless terms are used for the same purpose and in the same way, there is confusion and misrepresentation. So, basically you said the same thing I did, because you said a person who holds the dogma that non-catholics are lost is lost, where as I meant one who holds that dogma is a catholic. To me a catholic is not anyone except someone who holds those dogmas of catholicism.

yet there are Pentecostals whom you might not feel are "really" Pentecostals because they are Trinnies,

lol.

no.

Pentecostal applies to trinitarians and oneness. APOSTOLIC is oneness. But Pentecostal applies to anyone who believes in Speaking in tongues when receiving the Spirit today.

etc., so to me it seems that there is no allowance for others to define various doctrines for themselves, which all of us naturally do.

Sure there is. You misunderstand me, yet again. I just hope you see what I mean now and not speak as if I never said this.

I have already stated that you equally have no proof that people who believe Catholicism completely--priests or the pope or whatever--are "lost," and i think we have both had abundant opportunity to clarify any semantics here, so i'm not grasping what this re-re-re-hash is meant to accomplish, sorry.

You excuse catholics for thinking all non catholics are lost. You excuse muslims for thinking all non mulsims, and all christians, are lost. You do not excuse christians for thinking all non christians are lost. THAT is my point.

So, if a catholic came to his end while adhering to the belief all non-catholics are lost, are they lost?