Are all Catholics lost?

[shazeep]

you have not proven that fulfilling the law=salvation.

ya, i'm not sure that's true, but it sure resonates. It is the same language Scripture uses for Christ, Who is Spirit. I guess i could try to equate them better, maybe,

8Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself,h, i you are doing well.

2Carry one another’s burdens; in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ

gee that was tough; there's some others at the link below.

(9But if you show favoritism, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.)(ahem)

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=fulfill+the+law

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you have not proven that fulfilling the law=salvation.

ya, i'm not sure that's true, but it sure resonates. It is the same language Scripture uses for Christ, Who is Spirit. I guess i could try to equate them better, maybe,

8Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself,h, i you are doing well.

2Carry one another’s burdens; in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ

gee that was tough; there's some others at the link below.

(9But if you show favoritism, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.)(ahem)

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=fulfill+the+law

Where do any of those verses say law saves? Doing well means salvation? A sinner can do well to walk an elderly lady across the street, but that' doesn't save him.

If salvation come by the law, Christ died in vain.

Galatians 2:21 KJV I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Where do any of those verses say law saves? Doing well means salvation? A sinner can do well to walk an elderly lady across the street, but that' doesn't save him.

If salvation come by the law, Christ died in vain.

Galatians 2:21 KJV I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

yes, i am not suggesting that works save you, i confess that i have broken the law and deserve death, but i am forgiven--even though i did nothing to deserve forgiveness, and none of my future actions will ever, ever, ever make me deserving of forgiveness--because Christ came and fulfilled the law, and died for us even though He did not deserve any punishment. And works are essentially the only thing that matters, nonetheless. Weird, huh.

I have faith in this--the part before "works" up there--but practically speaking, what does it mean? It was a religion for me for...a long time. I avoided lots of Scripture myself. I denied what my own eyes read for years. Christ is either manifest in your next human transaction or He is not. If you are (like most people) going to church to please God, you are wasting your time. Your definitions of "service" and "worship" are...not mine, most likely, and they for sure aren't mine if you have sons doing "service" in the armed forces, and you worship the $ even if you are blind to the fact.

i don't mean for these to apply to you specifically, of course, but i see that wee are about to be in agreement again so i needed to get that in there