Does the golden rule save without the cross?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Father Sarducci is not an argument. You have no sense of humour.

yes, it was funny Esaias, but Guido was making an argument also, and you are making a joke at my expense, so to speak, at likely at the expense of someone's salvation. tra-la.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nothing funny intended.
you don't know my intentions.

you make your intentions plain, Mr B.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Have you forgotten your first love?

Remember when you pledged to yourself that if a better understanding of Scripture were to come along, you would consider it?

Considering requires an open mind; is it possible that your mind has somehow maybe become closed, without you even realizing it, and your heart has changed from that first day, when you had no preconceptions?

Did you come to these concepts on your own--like Paul--or did someone or some group lead you to them?

I first saw the Father on SNL back when I was kid. Along with Roseanne Rosannadanna and Jane Curtain and John Belushi and Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd, etc. I confess, the SNL crew led me to an appreciation of Father Sarducci's unique theology.

I vowed never to change my opinion of him, and I will maintain it to the end no matter how much you scream and yell about how he is passe and we need to move on.

Sarducci For Life!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, it was funny Esaias, but Guido was making an argument also, and you are making a joke at my expense, so to speak, at likely at the expense of someone's salvation. tra-la.

Lighten up, Francis.

[thephnxman]

I don't believe this is an "honest" thread.

Bro. Blume, it seems you are using this thread to keep up your banter
with shazeep, that false prophet, and giving him a place for his rantings.
In the meantime, it seems you want to want to gather opposition to
shazeep . . . for what purpose? It is only giving that false prophet just
another platform to use a little truth to introduce his lies.

It's time to go back to basics, Brother!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

And by saying that, do you believe one need not even know about the cross and be saved, since they practiced the golden rule?

what does it matter, if you believe that the Golden Rule is impossible to practice? Knowledge of, and even belief in, the Cross for salvation will not save one. satan has knowledge of the cross, and not only believes but knows for a fact that faith in the Cross will save someone. So what.

So, you continue to posit practicing the Golden Rule as something that only need be done after one has said the correct words, that please men; meaning them "really" and not faking it, no fingers crossed or whatever

read your quote again, and recognize how you might be searching the Scriptures for Christ, as He stands in front of you issuing guidance for translating spiritual principle into practice. Allow for the possibility that you might be fighting God here.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I first saw the Father on SNL back when I was kid. Along with Roseanne Rosannadanna and Jane Curtain and John Belushi and Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd, etc. I confess, the SNL crew led me to an appreciation of Father Sarducci's unique theology.

I vowed never to change my opinion of him, and I will maintain it to the end no matter how much you scream and yell about how he is passe and we need to move on.

Sarducci For Life!

i did not say that he was passe, E, and i love the guy, too
but you were using him against me, c'mon, weren't you? You did not mean for the arg in his meme to be reinforcing, or at least it didn't seem that way.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

So, you continue to posit practicing the Golden Rule as something that only need be done after one has said the correct words, that please men; meaning them "really" and not faking it, no fingers crossed or whatever

Now you're lying. He never said what you are claiming. You are coming across, once again, as a petulant little twit of a forum troll. Try another method, you might get somewhere. As it is, your just blowing bandwidth on nonsense.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i did not say that he was passe, E, and i love the guy, too
but you were using him against me, c'mon, weren't you? You did not mean for the arg in his meme to be reinforcing, or at least it didn't seem that way.

Dude, not every post is about YOU. You need to get outside more. Life is passing you by. The intardnets are sucking the life force out of you, turning you into a Podling slave of the Skeksis. Ignore the Crystal Bats flying around your head.

[shazeep]

ya, ok, i guess i wasn't supposed to react to the intent or something, got you.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I don't believe this is an "honest" thread.

amen to that--i think i have already pretty well pointed out the dishonesty.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Bro. Blume, it seems you are using this thread to keep up your banter
with shazeep, that false prophet, and giving him a place for his rantings.
In the meantime, it seems you want to want to gather opposition to
shazeep . . . for what purpose? It is only giving that false prophet just
another platform to use a little truth to introduce his lies.

It's time to go back to basics, Brother!

easy to say, harder to prove. all i am suggesting is that one follow what Christ Himself commands us, and get over parsing what others have said about Him, and the minute you detect otherwise then BAM point it out. But i submit that you cannot, while i in fact can do the opposite where your camp is concerned.

Don't forget to take that chapter Paul wrote about avoiding groupthink into account when you go back to your "basics," btw.