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View Poll Results: Are all Catholics lost?
yes 5 25.00%
no 10 50.00%
maybe 5 25.00%
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Old 09-22-2016, 08:07 PM
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Re: Are all Catholics lost?

well i agree with you there, but it does indicate self sacrifice, and i think the central issue is 'does "fulfill the law" = salvation, what is the case for that. legally, any way. it's kind of hard to refute imo. i would be ruthless in my examination here
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:06 PM
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well i agree with you there, but it does indicate self sacrifice, and i think the central issue is 'does "fulfill the law" = salvation, what is the case for that. legally, any way. it's kind of hard to refute imo. i would be ruthless in my examination here
Fulfilling the law simply means it's what the law demanded and it is accomplished. Not that it saves. No one can be saved by law, or else Jesus did not have to come and die on the cross.

There is no cross to carry and follow Jesus if He did not carry the cross of dying for our sins first. Denying self is only called carrying our crosses because Jesus first died on the cross in ultimate sacrifice for OUR SINS, as an example of how can carry our crosses in self denial and sacrifice, but never for OUR SINS. You cannot carry your cross and save yourself from your sins apart from Jesus who carried his cross for our sins. Self denial only allows the salvation we receive by the cross of Jesus to fully live through us, and without salvation, self denial does nothing more than discipline yourself and leave you lost in sin.

Self denial as a means of salvation is salvation by works, and these other religions who genuinely keep the golden rule believe you can be saved by works! By no means should they stop keeping the golden rule, but they do need to stop believing it saves them! You can be lost while you keep the golden rule.
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