Are all Catholics lost?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, trying out "what i'm hearing..." right now, when i remember to. I'm busy today trying to hear what the fundie view of "count the cost" is referring to, care to give it a whack?

Too much to deal and clarify with about this issue to get into another and be misunderstood due to things not clarified in this issue.

But you do admit you're not fundamentalist. So, homosexuality is only wrong because of the ancient times Israel lived in to avoid genocide.... etc??? That type of thinking? Just wondering.

[shazeep]

on the run today, just got back home, but i see a reflection of contend with you in homosexuality, meaning that it might be a rebellion against society over and above many other reflections of it, and it might be interesting to see the progression now that it is being accepted by society. But this is admittedly a one-dimensional pov, as the subject is very nuanced, ego is involved, self esteem, even chemical manipulation imo, the last quite possibly being a reflection of the PTBs desire for pop reduction and inciting Chaos, both of which encouraging homosexuality does wonderfully.

So, if you are a Big Brother, homosexuality could be viewed as the button that you can push at will to manipulate your other siblings, which might seem pointless by itself, but actually provides a lot of leverage.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

on the run today, just got back home, but i see a reflection of contend with you in homosexuality, meaning that it might be a rebellion against society over and above many other reflections of it, and it might be interesting to see the progression now that it is being accepted by society. But this is admittedly a one-dimensional pov, as the subject is very nuanced, ego is involved, self esteem, even chemical manipulation imo, the last quite possibly being a reflection of the PTBs desire for pop reduction and inciting Chaos, both of which encouraging homosexuality does wonderfully.

So, if you are a Big Brother, homosexuality could be viewed as the button that you can push at will to manipulate your other siblings, which might seem pointless by itself, but actually provides a lot of leverage.

Interesting.

[Evang.Benincasa]

All Catholics are lost

[shazeep]

Something else to consider; there is nothing wrong with Universal Dominion per se, it is Esaias' Theonomy, of course, at least until men get ahold of it and turn it into Universal Domination, "They Are All Lost" just being a manifestation of that. And of course the only choice you can have in that model is The Lesser of Two Evils, and prerequisites for water baptisms being paper, and etc. Now, i am just a hypocrite, and i am not claiming to know anything, other than God is the head of Christ, i get pretty blurry after that, but i do know that i am not in a position to have to choose evil, however it is justified. And i suggest that if you do find yourself in that position it is maybe time to pause and reflect.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Something else to consider; there is nothing wrong with Universal Dominion per se, it is Esaias' Theonomy, of course, at least until men get ahold of it and turn it into Universal Domination, "They Are All Lost" just being a manifestation of that.

Catholics are lost, because they place a plethora of items between the people and the cross of Christ. You actually have to parley with Mary to intercede to the son to get your prayers heard. This is anti-Gospel, and therefore will get you a ticket to a burning abyss.

[shazeep]

you remind me of something i read the other day; i am not sure what to make of it:

An Interesting Phenomenon

While we have large numbers of Catholics leaving the Catholic church to join a more 'spiritually alive church', a more 'bible based church', we have in the past 20 years a growing number of Protestant ministers being led by the Spirit to convert to Catholicism. We also have a number of lay evangelicals joining the Catholic church and a number of people who were raised in the Catholic church, join an evangelical church for years and now are returning home to the Catholic church.

This phenomenon is amazing to me when I consider the following factors:



Nearly all of the Protestant ministers now converting to Catholicism were raised in an anti-Catholic atmosphere.

They were very well educated in their own religious beliefs. So it wasn't as if they didn't truly know what their particular church believed.

Joining the Catholic church meant losing their jobs. Nearly all of these converts were Pastors in their church's. When they joined the Catholic church they wanted to continue in Christian ministry. Some were able to do this, others were not.

Often these men left vibrant faith communities to join a parish that may not have been very spiritually alive.

They joined the Catholic church during a time when the media highlighted all sex scandals and the cover-up of these by our bishops. Who needs to join such a church?
So why were these Ministers led to the Catholic Church?

Briefly, they were led to the Catholic church as a result of extensive study especially into the roots of Christianity. All of these former ministers now believe that the Catholic church is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Briefly, they were led to the Catholic church as a result of extensive study especially into the roots of Christianity. All of these former ministers now believe that the Catholic church is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ.

Then why didn't they join the Eastern Orthodox Church?

The roots of Christianity doesn't have Mariology, or Iconology, celibate priestcraft, burning of incense for prayers, etc, etc.

Dude you have no argument to defend Cross-less and Chrsit-less religions gaining access to heaven.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then why didn't they join the Eastern Orthodox Church?

The incense is too strong and the Easterns are too ethnocentric for most modern evangelicals?

Oh, and the beards. Probably has to do with the beards, as well.

[shazeep]

actually, i guess some of them go that way too!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then why didn't they join the Eastern Orthodox Church?

The roots of Christianity doesn't have Mariology, or Iconology, celibate priestcraft, burning of incense for prayers, etc, etc.

i know, weird, huh? you can highlight/search the first paragraph, you get a lot of hits. i don't get it either.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Dude you have no argument to defend Cross-less and Chrsit-less religions gaining access to heaven.

thing is, you don't have a defense against that tho, either, and i got Christ reassuring that that fulfills the law, and even Paul backing Him A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you
who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision, so you might consider how iconic Christ is for you, on a personal basis, is He just a shrine on a wall? A banner for you? A symbol? The Cross?

How can Love your neighbor, which intimately points to pick up your cross, be Crossless? Because some guy with a piece of paper says it is? Ok, but i would sure consider what i was fighting here, that's all. Believe what you like. But vote wisely.