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mfblume · #1 10-17-2016, 09:44 AM

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Sorry to be nitpicky here (lol), but are you saying a person is saved at Repentance? How is that possible when Mark 16:16 says that if you don't believe AND are baptized, you will be damned?

Amen. Actually conception is involved in baptism. We are PLANTED into His death when we are baptized into His death. Rom 6:3-5. A seed and egg conceives in the PLANTING, so to speak, and as you quoted Jesus, it accompanies faith or nothing happens.

Pressing-On · #2 10-17-2016, 10:36 AM

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Amen. Actually conception is involved in baptism. We are PLANTED into His death when we are baptized into His death. Rom 6:3-5. A seed and egg conceives in the PLANTING, so to speak, and as you quoted Jesus, it accompanies faith or nothing happens.

What is your understanding of Romans 8:9. It implies that Spirit infilling is also involved or you are not a part of the Kingdom of God, i.e. adopted into the body of Christ?

mfblume · #3 10-17-2016, 10:52 AM

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What is your understanding of Romans 8:9. It implies that Spirit infilling is also involved or you are not a part of the Kingdom of God, i.e. adopted into the body of Christ?

Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.

Pressing-On · #4 10-17-2016, 10:55 AM

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Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.

Thanks. It seems to imply that you could lose the Spirit of Christ if you don't work to overcome the flesh.

mfblume · #5 10-17-2016, 11:11 AM

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Thanks. It seems to imply that you could lose the Spirit of Christ if you don't work to overcome the flesh.

You may be onto something!

Pressing-On · #6 10-17-2016, 11:14 AM

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You may be onto something!

Okay, get a message and share it! LOL!

mfblume · #7 10-17-2016, 11:15 AM

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Thanks. It seems to imply that you could lose the Spirit of Christ if you don't work to overcome the flesh.

That fits with the next few verses on what my interpretation of them is. the Spirit of Christ is in us so that we can nullify the force of the sin in our flesh, so that we are quickened, or empowered, to overcome and no longer be its debtors to live after the flesh. And if we are not LED BY THE SPIRIT in that way, to allow it to quicken us IN THIS LIFE (it's not talking about the rapture or resurrection), we will likely lose it. Those led but he Spirit IN THIS WAY are His children.

Pressing-On · #8 10-17-2016, 11:55 AM

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That fits with the next few verses on what my interpretation of them is. the Spirit of Christ is in us so that we can nullify the force of the sin in our flesh, so that we are quickened, or empowered, to overcome and no longer be its debtors to live after the flesh. And if we are not LED BY THE SPIRIT in that way, to allow it to quicken us IN THIS LIFE (it's not talking about the rapture or resurrection), we will likely lose it. Those led but he Spirit IN THIS WAY are His children.

Agreed. We want to keep the "earnest of our inheritance". Don't want to give that away.

KeptByTheWord · #9 10-17-2016, 12:17 PM

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Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.

Pressing-On · #10 10-17-2016, 12:56 PM

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Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.

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I am sure that Bro. Blume has more to add to this as Romans 8:2 says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Paul is preaching that the Spirit infilling freed him from the Law of sin and death, having Romans 7 comparing the difference between the Law of Moses and the New Covenant, the New Covenant being superior.

He uses the marriage analogy to bring his point - when a marriage partner dies, you are free from that marriage and you are free to marry another.

There is salvation in the Holy Ghost - you are free from sin and death. The Spirit of Christ is a huge deal to the Apostles.