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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

B Struggling with sin? imprisoned in a fleshly body that must commit sin, while its inner man is wanting to do God's will? That's gnosticism.

Romans 7:14-25 (ESV)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-11 (ESV)
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Romans 7:14-25 (ESV)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-11 (ESV)
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Do you understand both portions of scripture you posted are all about choice? When Paul is discussing the individual who wanted to keep the Law of Moses, but couldn't through his carnality. Paul wasn't talking about himself personally?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Romans 8:11

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

ESV leaves out a very important portion of the first verse.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Romans 8:11

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

ESV leaves out a very important portion of the first verse.

That portion of verse one is thought by some to be a scribal notation referencing verses 4.

Either way, the meaning isn't changed when one considers the entire passage.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That portion of verse one is thought by some to be a scribal notation referencing verses 4.

Either way, the meaning isn't changed when one considers the entire passage.

It is referring to verse 4, but removing it from verse one make people believe that you have no condemnation as you continue in sin that grace may abound. Which the apostle said God forbid.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is referring to verse 4, but removing it from verse one make people believe that you have no condemnation as you continue in sin that grace may abound. Which the apostle said God forbid.

Only if people lift verse one out of context. But that's why seasoned saints are needed to correct them if they do that.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you understand both portions of scripture you posted are all about choice? When Paul is discussing the individual who wanted to keep the Law of Moses, but couldn't through his carnality. Paul wasn't talking about himself personally?

That's not the only take on the passage. Paul speaks first person in the present tense. It says what it means, and means what it says.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's not the only take on the passage. Paul speaks first person in the present tense. It says what it means, and means what it says.

Paul wasn't using himself as an example. Or else he is speaking a contradiction in Philippians 3:6

I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Paul wasn't using himself as an example. Or else he is speaking a contradiction in Philippians 3:6

I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.

Past tense. "Obeyed". One must also consider that he's sharing a legalist perspective, but Romans bears out deeper ontological theology relating to salvation and our struggle with the flesh.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Past tense. "Obeyed".

Bro, are yo saying that Paul was blameless before his conversion?