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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You are a religious legalist as any Eastern Orthodox Christain, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or Orthodox Jew.

A legalist believes that SALVATION is attained or maintained by keeping the letter of the Law, portions of the Law, or strict adherence to church standards or ordinances. I used to be quite a legalist. But can you show me where I've been a legalist within, let's say, the past 5 years?

Me figuring you out? Bro, if you haven't noticed yet, you have quite a bit of posts to you by other posters giving you their opinions on you as well.

And they are fine people I've enjoyed talking to. I can't help it if they go personal.

You are a product of our liberal culture, and modern corporate Churchanity. Other Christians (even moderate, and liberal) look at your "type" of Christianity and recoil. Because you bought into the "program" to eliminate what you have called the "1950s" style of Christendom?

What? Now you're just being wired. Times change. I have no control over that.

You have posted that some of us live in a ghetto. But you and your wife need to live in a "better" part of town. Because we who live in the "ghetto" live in a dangerous area?

Actually, I have no idea where anyone on this forum lives. I spoke for me and my family. We've got kids. And we want them safe and able to go to a decent school. But that was only attainable if both of us worked and sacrificed. I grew up in East Dayton, Ohio. I've been there, done that. I think you're being hyper critical.

Ndavid pointed out aptly that those SJW who weep and wail for the huddled masses, don't want to live with those huddled masses. Oh, sure, you think people are "called" to Helping Hands ministries. Handing out baloney sandwiches on white bread to the dregs of society. Yet, they just do that to make yourselves feel godly.

Don't you think that's a rather simplified, mischaracterization?

But there is no way, you would live in their neighborhoods. Hey, chief, you know where the word "slumming" comes from? Go to pastor Google, and look it up. When you find the definition, then that's what your Industrial Church Complex does. It slums, with the poor and down trodden.

Many pastors and ministers chose to live in the slums as part of their ministry to the poor. I've not felt called to that. It's actually inspiring. I grew up in those neighborhoods. I know the people to talk to to get nearly anything you want. I have friends and family shot in East Dayton. Of course I don't want my kids exposed to that. But if you think I have to move my family into the ghettos to care about policies that stand to hurt widows, the working poor, and single moms in those neighborhoods, you're mistaken.

Building wells in some hell hole in Africa, and leaving the people with paperback Bibles? So they can go home to the United States and feel good about themselves. You posted that our stay at home moms were nothing more than sad women with no lives? My mother worked, I was a latch key kid. You claim you had some hard upbringing, but it seems that coming home to an empty hose wasn't one of those hardships.

I grew up in a single parent household too. My mom was on ADC when I was younger and then tried to get off welfare. She had to work two jobs to make ends meet. I came home to an empty apartment for almost a year and a half, maybe two years. During that time I got involved with breaking into houses, stealing out of yards, and playing hooky from school. My mother decided to quit working, get back on welfare, and raise me with an iron fist. If it wasn't for government assistance that wouldn't have been possible. So, I know personally the impact cutting welfare can have on single parent household.

When you type those words, it must feel like a euphoric rush. That's you. You want to so believe that about yourself. It is your crown, and the jewels which adorn it.

I'd much rather talk about the topic, but you went personal again. Lol

Hey, we all want to feel like we are the hero, Batman saving Gotham. Yet, reality rolls out a very different carpet. Jesus has to increase, and we must decrease. You have what I call, "posters amnesia" which they accuse another poster of a crime in the opening of their posts, but then do the same crime. It is also known as Psychological projection. Which happens a lot in life when dealing with certain people.

Oh, you've done that to on occasion. Everyone has. Lighten up.

Then logically, this also applies to you? Bro, you may wear a glowing halo in other sections of this forum. Yet, you have people putting you on ignore because the way you deal with them concerning political topics. Pot? Meet Kettle.

People are conditioned to think anything not Republican is of the devil. What do you expect? Lol

For the record, I've only ignored you for a short period. I don't remember putting anyone else on ignore. But I took you off ignore because I felt it wasn't fair to do that to you. I wanted to read what you had to say, even if I disagreed, even if it were offensive, and even if you continued to go personal. I actually found your posts entertaining and on rare occasions thought provoking.

Politically speaking, I don't think one must be a Democrat to be a good Christian. So, I have no reason to ignore people over politics. I'm only making the case that one can be a Democrat and be a Christian too.

There's no winners here, we are having discussions those discussions aren't actually debates, because they never end. This thread which was started by our resident Sybil, has been burned to the ground. Ashes scattered, brought back to life, and burned down again. It died the death of a thousand cuts.

To you maybe. But for the sake of truth, people have continued to post. So what?

Do our opinions go to the person who posts? Of course they do, because we are looking not only to what is being posted, but who is posting it. Everyone brings their personality with what they post. You don't like, then you would never do it to anyone else. I have seen street preachers get laid out flat, with a punch that sounded like a loud hand clap. Some of you jokers would never take your show on the road. Or if you did? There be a lot less talking, and more listening, with a lot more logical reasoning.

Lol. I've only been spit at and heckled. But when I street preach, I find myself turning to the "Christians" who are listening. I've actually gotten amens from thugs and prostitutes. The only time I felt danger was one time in downtown Dayton, when I stood on a bus stop bench, made a gun with my hand, pointed it at the biggest gang banger standing there shouted, "BANG! YOU'RE DEAD! ARE YOU TIGHT WITH GOD???" The dude didn't take his eyes off me while I talked about the need to get right with God and obey Acts 2:38. His buddies is what worried me. They began walking around in different directions until I realized they were surrounding me. I kept going, and motioned to David, the guy I was with, to make it known that I wasn't alone. He told me to make it plain and got on his cell phone. Lol

I have an awesome testimony about speaking in tongues once while street preaching. A man on Main St. hearing an Ethiopian language. Guess what? That was the week Sis. Bobby Wendell, missionary to Ethiopia, was preaching revival at our church. This guy heard me invite him to church in Ethiopian! I had no idea he heard this until he and his cousin approached me afterwards. When we told him Sis. Wendell was at our church, he started crying. He was baptized in Jesus name in one of her services in Ethiopia. He came to church and actually bowed to her and prayed through. It was powerful. If you know her, ask her about it.

Makes you feel better. Listen, don't ever dish out what you are not willing to eat yourself. Another thing the Democrats do is cry victim. Yet, when you see them engage, they start blowing out tires. Analogeorgan is one the calmest, smoothest posters on this forum. Not a lot of posting from the poster, but for the most part they are even and consistently mild. Yet, they placed you on ignore? To only have you come back, with a blow out comment. So, do yourself a favor hero. Before you go playing meek n mild, don't ever do the bloody n wild. For some ultra secret military dude, you sure crawfish into victim when needed.

Whatever. Lol

Then the flipside to that, would be, you want everyone to see how inclusive you are? That you are the man of the people, how you want everyone to be taken care of, how you want everyone to be hugged, and tucked into warm beds? How your purpose is really to set man free, and show him brighter tomorrow? How this can all be attained by a societal change through legislative force, instead of Holy Ghost leading? Do you have a full back tattoo that says Frankfurt School?

What God desires is bigger than a revival service. And yes, He cares about the nation's policies that effect the poor, widows, orphans, and strangers.

That's a bunch of lip service. Words which make the speaker feel as prideful as those who say the opposite. One religious guy has pride in his piety, and the other religious guy has pride in his bogus ecclesiastical wretchedness.
Hence the sloppy agape, having to endure someone go on and on about how much they can't stop sinning but Jesus is just their tourniquet on their severed limb. Instead of carrying their cross and following Christ, they want to hang on their cross, struggle, and bleed to death. All the while screaming down to the masses telling them that this is the best it gets.

You're losing touch with reality.

Here it is, you are the hero. Hey, at least I can never say you aren't a good Democrat. Because you play the victim when needed. The above is the extent of your religion. As long as you feel good, happy, and justified. Then your religion works. Hurt and offend you? Seriously? Legalism dude, straight up, and served piping hot. You post the above drivel because you believe that what you need to do. That makes you "Christlike?" Bro, you don't mean a word of it. Not a word. You're the legalist, in an area where no one can measure your sleeve length. Getting dressed up like Hazelwood isn't hard bread eater. Not hard in the least. Being dressed up in the mind where no one can see what you really look like. That is where the rubber burns the road.

I'm not a hero. I'm more than a conqueror. And so are you. Act like it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

A legalist believes that SALVATION is attained or maintained by keeping the letter of the Law, portions of the Law, or strict adherence to church standards or ordinances. I used to be quite a legalist. But can you show me where I've been a legalist within, let's say, the past 5 years?

Bro, keeping the letter of the law? Seriously? Know anyone who had been sacrificing sheep lately through a mediator priest? Sadly, you believe that anyone who wears a shirt and a bowtie is a legalist. Legalist is anyone who does something to LOOK "godly" while they hate every minute of the process. They are like Cain, who sacrifices the fruit of his labor religiously. While waiting to have God accept it so he can get on with his life. Looking at his brother performing the same process. All the while hating his brother's devotion to God.

No, bro, it was too easy for you to get dressed up. To "make" your spouse get dressed up. She hated wearing the covering, and you hated that she hated it. If you ever can break the chains which hold you and once and for all figure out that the clothes were the least of the problem. It was what was on the inside. Inside that was filled with rotting corpses, stench of decay, while you tried to polish the outside of your tomb. You drop standards, because you thought they were the problem. They weren't, it is what is inside you.

God doesn't look on the outside, that's where man observes. God looks with eyebrow raised high when you chant your mantra "you're more than a conqueror, and so am I?" But, you were true to your nature, you ended the sentence with "so ACT like it."

That's it Hoss, it's an ACT. Instead of Pentecostal Dress Up, you legally chant you "believe in the doctrine of grace." You believe that God loves me." All because you have to say those things. Because it is as required of you as your haircut was, and your white office shirt.

Rules, you saw it all as rules. You still see it all as rules, but instead of a starched shirt, it is Christian jargon. Words, words which must be spoken in order to be what you claim to be. Struggling with sin? imprisoned in a fleshly body that must commit sin, while its inner man is wanting to do God's will? That's gnosticism. Legalistic to the bone. "I'll pray for you" while all the while in your mind you know you won't. "I love you brother" but if I was to backslide into horrendous debauchery. You would be the first one to burn me at the stake, while all the while saying you knew I was always that way. That's legalism. Yet, while you can drop outside standards of dress, you can't drop the standard of Christian jargon, Psalms 17:1

Standards are important, but what is much more important is what is in the darkest regions of the soul. Where no man can ever see. Where no man might ever find out the truth. Jimmy Swaggarts and Jim Bakkers of the world didn't have standards of attire. Their world didn't even notice how they dressed, they looked like anyone else. What brought them down was found on their inside.

The biggest devils I have ever met in my life, where people who supposedly confessed Christ. They mouthed all the right words, said all the right things at the right time. Made everyone believe that they were just a sinner saved by grace. But their "admitted imperfections" were what ended up planted deep into my back.

I have a friend who worked in a state prison. They were able to enlist the help of inmates to help with their work. So my fiend was interviewing an inmate. The inmate was a Bible student, led Bible studies for years. To talk with him he said all the right words. Quote the Bible from memory, would hold prayer meetings with his Bible group. Fasted, prayed, told stories on how he would seek God in prayer.

Come to find out that Mr Jail House Bible student, had some very deadly issues. One was that he and another inmate were cleaning the dentist's office, and somehow the female attendant was alone with these two pious students of the Word. At the end of the story, the girl ended up with a broken jaw, and a face that needed to be wired together.

All his "Churchism" was nothing more than legalism. Lip service, part of a Christian Hustle.

Horrific story, but I brought it up to show that you can sit and sing kumbaya. Build wells in the most dilapidated villages in the most destitute countries. Take pictures of you with all the ragged street children you can find, and it would be the same if you were dressed like Hazelwood MO 3.0. Just to fulfill some religious role void of God.

The devil fooled some of you. He got you to believe so much that standards was the Frankenstein monster. Because it was when you were playing Pentecostal Dress Up. It was like getting a custom paint job, brand new Michelins, the most expensive rims, on a car that has no motor, or transmission. You know what happens when you remove the paint, the tires, and rims? You still have no motor, no transmission. Only thing is, that car looks like every other car in the junkyard. So no body ever expects it to go anywhere.

A sinner saved by grace, isn't supposed to stay a sinner. Paul said God forbid it. Yet, being in the junkyard and staying in the junkyard is where Churchanity has finally wound up. You came into this discussion as a liberal, and I came into it as a conservative. If I point out your smoke and mirrors, you return the favor without flinching. SO, save the victim posturing.

Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. He didn't say go and sin less, or go and through your own human discipline, sin no more.

Calvinism is of the devil, it has destroyed churches, and congregations to make them nothing more than professional Churchmen. Religious Puppets, Polly Parroting Christian jargon, while all inside is nothing more than an ecclesiastical serial killer. But when the Jim Jones pops out in us? We use the well lubed, nicely engineered excuses, your still trapped within your fleshly prison, wrapped in chains of DNA which is sinful.

The Holy Ghost is the only way out, the only one who can control, and lead if we allow it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And they are fine people I've enjoyed talking to. I can't help it if they go personal.

Aquial? You throw it back on them?

No helping you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

What? Now you're just being wired. Times change. I have no control over that.

That went over your head.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually, I have no idea where anyone on this forum lives. I spoke for me and my family. We've got kids. And we want them safe and able to go to a decent school. But that was only attainable if both of us worked and sacrificed. I grew up in East Dayton, Ohio. I've been there, done that. I think you're being hyper critical.

No, you don't know. You used the word ghetto to describe anyone who didn;'t hold your self aggrandizing opinion. You brought it all up to give reason why your wife had to go to work. So you didn't have to live in a ghetto. Your words not mine superstar. Save the old war stories about living in the bad part of town. No matter what is discussed around here. There will be someway, somehow, you will have an actual life experience to lend credibility to your argument.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't you think that's a rather simplified, mischaracterization?

No way is that a mischaracterization. Bro, that is you. Just look at your very next quote. Bro, you are quite a bit transparent and one dimensional.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Many pastors and ministers chose to live in the slums as part of their ministry to the poor.

You should of did what I asked. Google the term. Because now you went to places you didn't need to go.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've not felt called to that.

Called to that? Seriously?

I'm real sorry, but that is odd.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's actually inspiring.

You proved the point, it's all good as long as you watch from a safe distance. Democrat Savior 101.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I grew up in those neighborhoods. I know the people to talk to to get nearly anything you want. I have friends and family shot in East Dayton. Of course I don't want my kids exposed to that. But if you think I have to move my family into the ghettos to care about policies that stand to hurt widows, the working poor, and single moms in those neighborhoods, you're mistaken.

No doubt. If I was having a discussion with Aquila about the moon landing. Aquila would say he once was an astronaut.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I grew up in a single parent household too. My mom was on ADC when I was younger and then tried to get off welfare. She had to work two jobs to make ends meet. I came home to an empty apartment for almost a year and a half, maybe two years. During that time I got involved with breaking into houses, stealing out of yards, and playing hooky from school. My mother decided to quit working, get back on welfare, and raise me with an iron fist. If it wasn't for government assistance that wouldn't have been possible. So, I know personally the impact cutting welfare can have on single parent household.

You're an expert. What can anyone say? It is a wonder you don't rise and float around the world in 80 days.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd much rather talk about the topic, but you went personal again. Lol

Bro, with a guy like you. You just can't. You hand out such material to work with. If we were doing this in person out in a street Bible study, we would have a crowd, and you would be wanting to commit murder.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Oh, you've done that to on occasion. Everyone has.

Not everyone, there are people who post on here who don't glow in the dark. Who never believe they can leap tall buildings in a single bound, who claim they would of never left Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, or feel they can spit gold coins out of their mouths everytime they pray. Your pretty easy to rile up. Just look at your new avatar of you locked in your seat belt. You have a face like someone just cut you off in rush hour.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Lighten up.

Always. :

Originally Posted by Aquila

People are conditioned to think anything not Republican is of the devil. What do you expect? Lol

No, we listen to democrats we hear what they are saying. We then make the decision on the conclusion of what their words will bring us. It's that simple.

Originally Posted by Aquila

For the record, I've only ignored you for a short period. I don't remember putting anyone else on ignore.

Do you read what is posted on the internet in braille? Bro, I was talking about YOU getting placed on ignore.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But I took you off ignore because I felt it wasn't fair to do that to you. I wanted to read what you had to say, even if I disagreed, even if it were offensive, and even if you continued to go personal. I actually found your posts entertaining and on rare occasions thought provoking.

Politically speaking, I don't think one must be a Democrat to be a good Christian. So, I have no reason to ignore people over politics. I'm only making the case that one can be a Democrat and be a Christian too.

For anyone who put Aquila on ignore this is his moment to guilt you into taking him off ignore.

Originally Posted by Aquila

To you maybe. But for the sake of truth, people have continued to post. So what?

Talking about YOU, not anyone else. You and I have decimated this thread. Now it is just repeating past posts in the thread.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Lol. I've only been spit at and heckled. But when I street preach, I find myself turning to the "Christians" who are listening. I've actually gotten amens from thugs and prostitutes. The only time I felt danger was one time in downtown Dayton, when I stood on a bus stop bench, made a gun with my hand, pointed it at the biggest gang banger standing there shouted, "BANG! YOU'RE DEAD! ARE YOU TIGHT WITH GOD???" The dude didn't take his eyes off me while I talked about the need to get right with God and obey Acts 2:38. His buddies is what worried me. They began walking around in different directions until I realized they were surrounding me. I kept going, and motioned to David, the guy I was with, to make it known that I wasn't alone. He told me to make it plain and got on his cell phone. Lol

When was this?

[Esaias]

Aquila, I gotta say, you remind me of some people I used to know, who couldn't so much as say "Hi" without a follow-up serving of baloney and a side of horsepuckey.

Just sayin.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Aquila, I gotta say, you remind me of some people I used to know, who couldn't so much as say "Hi" without a follow-up serving of baloney and a side of horsepuckey.

Just sayin.

That's not nice

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

That's not nice

I agree, it isn't nice trying to hold a discussion with Aquila when he thinks he is the most interesting man in the world. He has done everything, been involved in everything. Has family members, or personal friends who have been affected by any situation he is discussing. He gives testimonies where he stands akimbo astride a white elephant, while us mere mortals bow before his bread eating physique.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

That's not nice

Maybe not, but it is honest. That is exactly who he reminds me of. I could be wrong, maybe he has been everywhere and done it all.

But I doubt it.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by houston

That's not nice

Yes, things have changed a lot since our lady moderator passed away.
Sad but true.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A sinner saved by grace, isn't supposed to stay a sinner.

Then why do you still sin , EB?

Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. He didn't say go and sin less, or go and through your own human discipline, sin no more.

1 John 2:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Calvinism is of the devil, it has destroyed churches, and congregations to make them nothing more than professional Churchmen. Religious Puppets, Polly Parroting Christian jargon, while all inside is nothing more than an ecclesiastical serial killer. But when the Jim Jones pops out in us? We use the well lubed, nicely engineered excuses, your still trapped within your fleshly prison, wrapped in chains of DNA which is sinful.

Good thing I'm not a Calvinist.

The Holy Ghost is the only way out, the only one who can control, and lead if we allow it.

Amen.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

B Struggling with sin? imprisoned in a fleshly body that must commit sin, while its inner man is wanting to do God's will? That's gnosticism.

Romans 7:14-25 (ESV)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-11 (ESV)
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.