Submission? Or Power and Control?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did I say that? No, I didn't. Never mind.

This is what you said: Warning and admonishing people not to sin because it brings on bad juju is not "setting a foundation of fear", as if this is a bad thing. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, to depart from evil, to avoid what is contrary to God's will. That is a good thing. But the wicked do not have that fear of God, instead they think it's all "hellfire and damnation preaching to scare people into being mind control victims".

So, is a woman cutting her hair sin? Is it evil? Does it bring on bad juju?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

This is what you said: Warning and admonishing people not to sin because it brings on bad juju is not "setting a foundation of fear", as if this is a bad thing. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, to depart from evil, to avoid what is contrary to God's will. That is a good thing. But the wicked do not have that fear of God, instead they think it's all "hellfire and damnation preaching to scare people into being mind control victims".

So, is a woman cutting her hair sin? Is it evil? Does it bring on bad juju?

The issue is "is warning about the consequences of sin setting a foundation of fear, and is it wrong to do that?"

THAT is what I addressed.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The issue is "is warning about the consequences of sin setting a foundation of fear, and is it wrong to do that?"

THAT is what I addressed.

Okay, no, that isn't wrong-for real sin. But they set this foundation for a woman cutting her hair. Do you think that is right?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

Okay, no, that isn't wrong-for real sin. But they set this foundation for a woman cutting her hair. Do you think that is right?

I haven't read the book (and honestly don't intend to) so I can't even say what the book is about. Speaking strictly about hair issues, if one believes cutting hair is an abominable sin, it only makes sense to establish first of all that sin = death in the lake of fire.

I don't get upset if someone is consistently wrong. If you told me everything I believe is going to send me to hell for eternity, I am not going to take umbrage at how "uncharitable" your presentation was because it "makes me uncomfortable" or because "you are trying to scare me". I just look at "is this data scripturally accurate, or not" and take it from there. If a person is being hypocritical, trying to scare me while simultaneously complaining about other people's scare tactics, I may point it out, or I may just move on and not waste time with an irrational twit.

Not saying you are being an irrational twit. Just want to be clear on that.

As for hair cutting being a damnable sin, I think sisters need to worry more about getting their glory under wraps. Yes, that was a pun.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I haven't read the book (and honestly don't intend to) so I can't even say what the book is about. Speaking strictly about hair issues, if one believes cutting hair is an abominable sin, it only makes sense to establish first of all that sin = death in the lake of fire.

I don't get upset if someone is consistently wrong. If you told me everything I believe is going to send me to hell for eternity, I am not going to take umbrage at how "uncharitable" your presentation was because it "makes me uncomfortable" or because "you are trying to scare me". I just look at "is this data scripturally accurate, or not" and take it from there. If a person is being hypocritical, trying to scare me while simultaneously complaining about other people's scare tactics, I may point it out, or I may just move on and not waste time with an irrational twit.

Not saying you are being an irrational twit. Just want to be clear on that.

As for hair cutting being a damnable sin, I think sisters need to worry more about getting their glory under wraps. Yes, that was a pun.

The only thing that really concerns me is when teachings hurt people. You didn't outright answer my question though. Are women who cut their hair sinning in your opinion?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

The only thing that really concerns me is when teachings hurt people. You didn't outright answer my question though. Are women who cut their hair sinning in your opinion?

Depends on the motivation. A woman who cut her hair because she needed surgery on her skull is one thing. But a woman who cut her hair because she's gonna do what she wants and who cares what the Bible says about it has got bigger problems than scissors.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ILG

The only thing that really concerns me is when teachings hurt people. You didn't outright answer my question though. Are women who cut their hair sinning in your opinion?

So, your solution is to combat one teaching which you believe is hurting people by hurting people?

OK, I see.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, your solution is to combat one teaching which you believe is hurting people by hurting people?

OK, I see.

Who am I hurting by discussing the issue and quoting a published booklet and saying I disagree?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

As for hair cutting being a damnable sin, I think sisters need to worry more about getting their glory under wraps. Yes, that was a pun.

I am thinking that when I really wanted to know God, I said, "God, I have seen the rain, hail, snow, etc. There has to be something in this Book that I am missing, because I know that you are a powerful God."

Shortly thereafter, a woman started working with me and brought me into the UPC. Of all my years of praying, fasting and seeking God, He has NEVER told me to put bonnet or scarf on my head. He has told me a good many other things.

So, I have to think about that after 32 years, He would have showed that to me.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am thinking that when I really wanted to know God, I said, "God, I have seen the rain, hail, snow, etc. There has to be something in this Book that I am missing, because I know that you are a powerful God."

Shortly thereafter, a woman started working with me and brought me into the UPC. Of all my years of praying, fasting and seeking God, He has NEVER told me to put bonnet or scarf on my head. He has told me a good many other things.

So, I have to think about that after 32 years, He would have showed that to me.

He did, in 1 Corinthians 11. Whether you accept it or not, it's there. We go by the Word, not just some internal feeling.