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08-13-2017, 06:29 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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So, fine. It means grow. What is your point?
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So, growth is no more growth if it is cut.
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They looked with their eyes. Again, your point?
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Is that what is says? It says hair as women. If we go with your idea of "long" we would need to determine what long is? Longer than a man? They cropped their hair, polling, which looked like what the Romans wore. Therefore if we discard growth, and take your "long" our lenght would be shoulder? That is what the Greek word means.
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Is a woman sinning if she cuts her hair?
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Getting tired sister?
I'm not.
I explained that already.
Do you know where in this thread?
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08-13-2017, 06:30 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
Sis, when is a man or woman sinning?
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08-13-2017, 08:44 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Sis, when is a man or woman sinning?
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That's a broad question. But I feel confident that it's not when a woman cuts her hair. If a man tries to control a woman by preaching she will go to hell if he doesn't interpret the bible the way he says she should, he could well be sinning against her if he is twisting her head. It's called abuse and it's what the Pharisees did and Jesus preached against that a lot.
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08-13-2017, 09:53 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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If a man tries to control a woman by preaching she will go to hell if he doesn't interpret the bible the way he says she should, he could well be sinning against her if he is twisting her head. It's called abuse and it's what the Pharisees did and Jesus preached against that a lot.
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Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.
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08-13-2017, 11:30 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.
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Nailed it! Goes back to the garden...
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08-14-2017, 09:30 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Nailed it! Goes back to the garden...
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Amen, the woman desire was for her husband's position Genesis 3:16
Then he said to the woman, "I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you." New Living Translation
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08-14-2017, 08:37 AM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.
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If the bible said uncut that would be somewhat different. But it doesn't.
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08-14-2017, 08:40 AM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
The way I see it, the accusations of "bitter", "can't let it go" and all that are just ways to try and silence the discussion. The uncut hair doctrine really can't withstand scrutiny and so people try and silence the discussion instead.
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08-14-2017, 10:01 AM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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If the bible said uncut that would be somewhat different. But it doesn't.
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And that's where we differ.
I believe it does.
I have heard all of the arguments on both sides and believe that it does.
I have done my own personal study and believe that it does.
If I get to heaven and there are women there with cut hair, I will be fine with that. It will not lessen my joy in the least.
But, I do not believe there will be women with cut hair AND bad attitudes.
Lol...
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08-14-2017, 10:06 AM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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And that's where we differ.
I believe it does.
I have heard all of the arguments on both sides and believe that it does.
I have done my own personal study and believe that it does.
If I get to heaven and there are women there with cut hair, I will be fine with that. It will not lessen my joy in the least.
But, I do not believe there will be women with cut hair AND bad attitudes.
Lol...
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I assume you are insinuating that I have a bad attitude simply because I speak out on this issue. I'll overlook that.
If you believe the Bible says uncut hair-fine. If you or your family practice that-fine. I just hope you or your family don't believe it's salvational or that you get special protection or the scary stories that when women cut their hair bad things happen or that women who don't cut their hair can control their environment without sin, like the booklet I quoted says. It's just not true.
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