Submission? Or Power and Control?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sis, when is a man or woman sinning?

That's a broad question. But I feel confident that it's not when a woman cuts her hair. If a man tries to control a woman by preaching she will go to hell if he doesn't interpret the bible the way he says she should, he could well be sinning against her if he is twisting her head. It's called abuse and it's what the Pharisees did and Jesus preached against that a lot.

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

If a man tries to control a woman by preaching she will go to hell if he doesn't interpret the bible the way he says she should, he could well be sinning against her if he is twisting her head. It's called abuse and it's what the Pharisees did and Jesus preached against that a lot.

Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.

[houston]

Originally Posted by n david

Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.

Nailed it! Goes back to the garden...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Nailed it! Goes back to the garden...

Amen, the woman desire was for her husband's position Genesis 3:16

Then he said to the woman, "I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you." New Living Translation

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Basically, this is woman's liberation for the church. Don't tell her what she should/shouldn't do with her body. Especially if you're a male preacher. Regardless of what the Bible says.

If the bible said uncut that would be somewhat different. But it doesn't.

[ILG]

The way I see it, the accusations of "bitter", "can't let it go" and all that are just ways to try and silence the discussion. The uncut hair doctrine really can't withstand scrutiny and so people try and silence the discussion instead.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by ILG

If the bible said uncut that would be somewhat different. But it doesn't.

And that's where we differ.
I believe it does.
I have heard all of the arguments on both sides and believe that it does.
I have done my own personal study and believe that it does.
If I get to heaven and there are women there with cut hair, I will be fine with that. It will not lessen my joy in the least.
But, I do not believe there will be women with cut hair AND bad attitudes.
Lol...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

And that's where we differ.
I believe it does.
I have heard all of the arguments on both sides and believe that it does.
I have done my own personal study and believe that it does.
If I get to heaven and there are women there with cut hair, I will be fine with that. It will not lessen my joy in the least.
But, I do not believe there will be women with cut hair AND bad attitudes.
Lol...

I assume you are insinuating that I have a bad attitude simply because I speak out on this issue. I'll overlook that.

If you believe the Bible says uncut hair-fine. If you or your family practice that-fine. I just hope you or your family don't believe it's salvational or that you get special protection or the scary stories that when women cut their hair bad things happen or that women who don't cut their hair can control their environment without sin, like the booklet I quoted says. It's just not true.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

I assume you are insinuating that I have a bad attitude simply because I speak out on this issue. I'll overlook that.

If you believe the Bible says uncut hair-fine. If you or your family practice that-fine. I just hope you or your family don't believe it's salvational or that you get special protection or the scary stories that when women cut their hair bad things happen or that women who don't cut their hair can control their environment without sin, like the booklet I quoted says. It's just not true.

Every church I personally know, have attended and attend now say that the standards are not salvational, including the hair. However, you are viewed as backslid if you do not adhere to the standards. That is hard to explain to people.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Every church I personally know, have attended and attend now say that the standards are not salvational, including the hair. However, you are viewed as backslid if you do not adhere to the standards. That is hard to explain to people.

Exactly. They always said they were not salvational when I was in the church. But.....if you don't do them....you are like Jezebel.....you open your home to evil spirits.....you are a promoter of homosexuality......you are promoting feminism......and then.....they tie in all the scriptures about abominations and usurping authority and obeying them that have the rule over you and that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft! In the end......they're salvational.