My Take On Illegal Immigration

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You're putting a nice spin on this. Of course visa's are limited to a certain number. You really think the US should just open the borders and visas carte blanche? There has to be a restricted number of visas . . . which, by the way the US allows more immigrants than most other nations . . . INCLUDING our neighbors to the south.

You want to talk about immigration reform . . . why are you talking about them needing to change their policies?

The fact remains that up to that certain number . . . which is too high in my opinion . . . people from the south and latin america have just as good a chance as anyone else to get a visa. They're not discriminated against as much as telemundo or other latin news would have the people think.


No, I want factual sources . . . not something a PAID IMMIGRATION attorney will say. They'll say anything, trust me, I've worked in immigration for several years and had them trying to name statutes and junk that wasn't even in the books. They'll do what they need to do to get their client a visa.

I'm not quoting Telemundo. I'm quoting attorneys and actual facts. For someone that worked for Immigration and knows so much I'm surprised you don't have the actual numbers!
You obviously know SO MUCH more than the rest of us that actually work amongst the hispanic community, so why bother talking?

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I'm not quoting Telemundo. I'm quoting attorneys and actual facts.

Which attorneys? What actual facts?

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

For someone that worked for Immigration and knows so much I'm surprised you don't have the actual numbers! You obviously know SO MUCH more than the rest of us that actually work amongst the hispanic community, so why bother talking?

1) I worked for INS (ICE) pre-9/11 through 2003. Pardon me if I don't have the numbers here with me since it's been several years.
2) I never said I know more than you or other activists in the hispanic community. Don't twist my statements. I only refuted your reliance on paid immigration attorneys as trusted sources with my personal experience with them.

You take things to such an extreme, CP. Chill out. You screamed about a statement being racist earlier, when it wasn't; and now you're taking my statements out of proportion.

Oh, interesting to note . . . Phoenix news had some wacko pro-illegal activist soundbites that demanded the current Kennedy/McCain amnesty bill be dumped and a new amnesty bill be written that doesn't contain any penalties or conditions. *sigh*

What did I say last week or the week before . . . these people want amnesty free and clear. They don't want to pay for anything. They're freeloaders that want everything given to them, including amnesty.

What a joke . . .

[SDG]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Which attorneys? What actual facts?


1) I worked for INS (ICE) pre-9/11 through 2003. Pardon me if I don't have the numbers here with me since it's been several years.
2) I never said I know more than you or other activists in the hispanic community. Don't twist my statements. I only refuted your reliance on paid immigration attorneys as trusted sources with my personal experience with them.

You take things to such an extreme, CP. Chill out. You screamed about a statement being racist earlier, when it wasn't; and now you're taking my statements out of proportion.

Oh, interesting to note . . . Phoenix news had some wacko pro-illegal activist soundbites that demanded the current Kennedy/McCain amnesty bill be dumped and a new amnesty bill be written that doesn't contain any penalties or conditions. *sigh*

What did I say last week or the week before . . . these people want amnesty free and clear. They don't want to pay for anything. They're freeloaders that want everything given to them, including amnesty.

What a joke . . .

More "pure-blooded American" hysterics ... I can name you illegals that are willing to pay .... whatever it takes and work for as long as it takes to pay their load ...

You are not an expert ... stop posing.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More "pure-blooded American" hysterics ... I can name you illegals that are willing to pay .... whatever it takes and work for as long as it takes to pay their load ...

Hey, I'm just saying what was being said by a popular local pro-illegal immigration office here in Phoenix. They don't want to pay the penalties. They feel it's unfair for Congress to impose the penalties. They want free amnesty with no conditions attached.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You are not an expert ... stop posing.

DA - did I ever say I was an expert? No, I haven't. I'm not posing as anything. I simply stated that I've worked in immigration and was refuting some of what CP and you have stated. It doesn't make me an expert, it's just personal experience info.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Hey, I'm just saying what was being said by a popular local pro-illegal immigration office here in Phoenix. They don't want to pay the penalties. They feel it's unfair for Congress to impose the penalties. They want free amnesty with no conditions attached.


DA - did I ever say I was an expert? No, I haven't. I'm not posing as anything. I simply stated that I've worked in immigration and was refuting some of what CP and you have stated. It doesn't make me an expert, it's just personal experience info.

So you can quote a pro-illegal office in Phoenix and believe to be facts but if I or Dan say something we don't know what we're talking about.

Seems like only you and your sources are credible.
I have a church full of people that are willing to pay and have saved the money to pay...but I guess I'm lying since the office in Pheonix says otherwise.