The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So the Bible is so one might know the history of the Jewish people? Well what relevance then has the Bible for us today then?

Luke 21:25

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So in OUR DAY we have no signs pointing to the coming of Jesus on a cloud to redeem US?

We need not watch the signs and pray? So if you believe this was JUST FOR ISRAEL you must believe Jesus already came in the first century. In that case the Bible means nothing to us. It was not written for a people who MISSED THE COMING OF JESUS.

It was written for a people who were LOOKING FOR his coming.

Also consider this. If the book of Revelation was just for first century dwellers at Jerusalem almost NONE OF THEM ever knew anything about it.
Even if Revelation was written before 70ad almost no one owned their own "Bible".

So if there may have been a few hand written copies of it around how many Messianic Jews owned copies of the Old Testament in which they would go back and study to tie the symbols of Revelation with the prophetic words that came before?

If Matt 24 were strictly for the Jews in the first century thats all they would have needed. The book of Revelation even if seen by a few of them would not have been needed.

Mike, stop the drama. You believe that the book of Revelation wasn't for anyone for 2,000 years! Here is wisdom, figure out the number name of the beast. Well, my man, according to you if someone lived 2,000 years ago that would be impossible. Because according to you the joker wouldn't be born for another 2,000 years. Yet, you say that the BOTTOMLESS PIT is on earth? It is physical? Mike, it has NO BOTTOM!!!!! Do you get that? You must have a huge amount of Fort Lauderdale housewives listening to you on PalTalk and YouTubes. Mike, you also misquote Matthew 24:21 at the beginning of your vid.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, stop the drama. You believe that the book of Revelation wasn't for anyone for 2,000 years! Here is wisdom, figure out the number name of the beast. Well, my man, according to you if someone lived 2,000 years ago that would be impossible. Because according to you the joker wouldn't be born for another 2,000 years. Yet, you say that the BOTTOMLESS PIT is on earth? It is physical? Mike, it has NO BOTTOM!!!!! Do you get that? You must have a huge amount of Fort Lauderdale housewives listening to you on PalTalk and YouTubes. Mike, you also misquote Matthew 24:21 at the beginning of your vid.

But thats the Lords wisdom Dom. It COULD have been at any given time. Every generation is given the hope that Christ could come in their time. One generation dies off another comes up.

They do what I did when I first began reading the Bible. They take it PERSONALLY. Like its meant FOR THEM.

If Christ came 2000 years ago for his people.....who are we? Is the Bible written to people who are LOOKING FOR CHRIST TO COME? Or to a people who missed it by 2000 years?

How do we know we can claim ANYTHING in the New Testament?

Didnt Christ say those who missed his coming were forbidden to come to his wedding? That the door was SHUT? Matt 25:10-12

If we are part of the people who missed his coming and the true 1st century saints for whom the coming of Christ was intended have been in Heaven for 2000 years where do we in our time come into play? How do you know we come into play at all?

So if the bottomless pit is not in the Earth what and where is it pray tell? I heard one Preacher say the bottomless pit is the Church!

Do you agree with him? Why dont those who take everything spiritually agree with each others interpretation?

The beast was Antiochus. The beast was Titus. The beast was Nero. The beast is inside Church members.

When the endtime events actually come to pass the whole world will be involved not just Jerusalem.

Rev 11:15-18

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

If these things happened in 70ad Jesus Christ should be reigning over the nations. The dead should have been raised and judged and given their reward.

If they were WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Are they somewhere on the Earth? Are they in Heaven? If they were rewarded in 70ad why are they not ruling over the nation as in Rev. 2:26?

This doctrine reminds me a lot of Jehovah Witnesses and 1914. A certain number of saints went to Heaven at that time. No one saw them leave. No one has seen them since.