why evangelics love Israel

[Michael The Disciple]

The real reason Christians love Israel.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

And some Christians like Irvin Baxter are actively working to be witnesses of the coming of Jesus Christ to the Jewish people that they might be saved. Something the Apostolic Church believed would happen in the future.

2 Cor 3:14-16

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The real reason Christians love Israel.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

And some Christians like Irvin Baxter are actively working to be witnesses of the coming of Jesus Christ to the Jewish people that they might be saved. Something the Apostolic Church believed would happen in the future.

2 Cor 3:14-16

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Mike, therefore you teach that CONVERTS (which every single one is) are all beloved of Jesus Christ? Mike, not one of their ancestors crucified Christ, not one of their ancestors were sitting at the foot of Mount Sinai when Moses came down the mountain. By the proclamation in Ezra 2:59-62 they couldn't possibly serve in the temple services, or building. Mike, there is ONLY one Israel, and that is Apostolic baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost. You have Jesus Christ bestowing love on a group that couldn't trace their lineage back to Zerubbabel if they had a flashlight and a laser beam.
Modern Talmudic Jews hate Christianity, and hate Jesus Christ, no matter how much you use your made up Hebrew to change His name.

[aegsm76]

EB - I keep hearing this refrain that the Jews today are not the Jews of the Bible.
Many years ago, I went over that and settled that in my mind.
So, just as a whim I did an internet search and came up with this, which was the same argument that I had settled many years ago.
link
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-b...ended-khazars/
Is this what you keep referring to?

By referring, I mean to the book mentioned in the article.

Here is another link
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-ashken...cientists.html

and another
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/khaza...sted-1.5253397

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

EB - I keep hearing this refrain that the Jews today are not the Jews of the Bible.
Many years ago, I went over that and settled that in my mind.
So, just as a whim I did an internet search and came up with this, which was the same argument that I had settled many years ago.
link
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-b...ended-khazars/
Is this what you keep referring to?

By referring, I mean to the book mentioned in the article.

Here is another link
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-ashken...cientists.html

and another
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/khaza...sted-1.5253397

Both articles do not refute what is outlined in Ezra and Nehemiah. Sorry, but Khazars or Chinese converts to Medival Talmudic Judaism is unbiblical. The Rabbis trust in your not knowing the subject, therefore you legitimize conversions which Ezra, Nehemiah, and Zerubabel would of vehemitly rejected.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Both articles do not refute what is outlined in Ezra and Nehemiah. Sorry, but Khazars or Chinese converts to Medival Talmudic Judaism is unbiblical. The Rabbis trust in your not knowing the subject, therefore you legitimize conversions which Ezra, Nehemiah, and Zerubabel would of vehemitly rejected.

EB - so your belief that the Jews of today are not the same as the Jews of the Bible is based in Ezra and Nehemiah?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

EB - so your belief that the Jews of today are not the same as the Jews of the Bible is based in Ezra and Nehemiah?

Ezra and Nehemiah give the short answer as to how they determined the members of tribes. Who was able to perform duties within the temple law system. Ezekiel goes further to give the prohibitions within the linage of the priest. Lineage meant everything to the ancient Israeli. What your article forgets to mention is HOW a Persian was able to convert to Isralism. How a female Moabitess was able to convert through the kinsman redeemer plan, and still bring forth children which would be considered her dead husband’s offspring.
Pharisees were able to have Gentile converts because they still had perfectly good lineages to place them in. Still, linage was VERY IMPORTANT as we see with Jesus’. Paul was actually able to point to his own pedigree. Which no Khazar could possibly do. Why? Because by the time of the Bar Kochba uprising the lineages were already sketchy. When we get to the Khazars all they are doing is joining the TEMPLESS religion of Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. A religion which was fabricated. Talmudism has no temple, just as when the original Judeans were in Babylon. After 70 AD, they just picked up were they left off, just no longer a people with any lineage connecting them to a land. Hence the one True religion would be the Apostolic Faith. Which a people would be not of race, but through grace. When Isaiah (speaking of Christ’s death) that who wold declare His generation. The prophet sees a young unmarried Judean male dying childless. No kinsman redeemer for Him since He was unmarried. So He wouldn’t have a physical generational linage. But when He fell asleep on the Cross ( gave up the ghost) out of His side came His wife (water and blood) Jesus name baptism the bride, the church, the true Israel of God. Just as the first Adam went to sleep, and his wife came from His side making the literal lineage. The same for Jesus which through Jesus name baptism we are born into His family, Jesus becomes our Father, we are His sons. We enter the only linage through circumcision of the heart, and the water and blood in His Name.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ezra and Nehemiah give the short answer as to how they determined the members of tribes. Who was able to perform duties within the temple law system. Ezekiel goes further to give the prohibitions within the linage of the priest. Lineage meant everything to the ancient Israeli. What your article forgets to mention is HOW a Persian was able to convert to Isralism. How a female Moabitess was able to convert through the kinsman redeemer plan, and still bring forth children which would be considered her dead husband’s offspring.
Pharisees were able to have Gentile converts because they still had perfectly good lineages to place them in. Still, linage was VERY IMPORTANT as we see with Jesus’. Paul was actually able to point to his own pedigree. Which no Khazar could possibly do. Why? Because by the time of the Bar Kochba uprising the lineages were already sketchy. When we get to the Khazars all they are doing is joining the TEMPLESS religion of Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. A religion which was fabricated. Talmudism has no temple, just as when the original Judeans were in Babylon. After 70 AD, they just picked up were they left off, just no longer a people with any lineage connecting them to a land. Hence the one True religion would be the Apostolic Faith. Which a people would be not of race, but through grace. When Isaiah (speaking of Christ’s death) that who wold declare His generation. The prophet sees a young unmarried Judean male dying childless. No kinsman redeemer for Him since He was unmarried. So He wouldn’t have a physical generational linage. But when He fell asleep on the Cross ( gave up the ghost) out of His side came His wife (water and blood) Jesus name baptism the bride, the church, the true Israel of God. Just as the first Adam went to sleep, and his wife came from His side making the literal lineage. The same for Jesus which through Jesus name baptism we are born into His family, Jesus becomes our Father, we are His sons. We enter the only linage through circumcision of the heart, and the water and blood in His Name.

well said.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ezra and Nehemiah give the short answer as to how they determined the members of tribes. Who was able to perform duties within the temple law system. Ezekiel goes further to give the prohibitions within the linage of the priest. Lineage meant everything to the ancient Israeli. What your article forgets to mention is HOW a Persian was able to convert to Isralism. How a female Moabitess was able to convert through the kinsman redeemer plan, and still bring forth children which would be considered her dead husband’s offspring.
Pharisees were able to have Gentile converts because they still had perfectly good lineages to place them in. Still, linage was VERY IMPORTANT as we see with Jesus’. Paul was actually able to point to his own pedigree. Which no Khazar could possibly do. Why? Because by the time of the Bar Kochba uprising the lineages were already sketchy. When we get to the Khazars all they are doing is joining the TEMPLESS religion of Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. A religion which was fabricated. Talmudism has no temple, just as when the original Judeans were in Babylon. After 70 AD, they just picked up were they left off, just no longer a people with any lineage connecting them to a land. Hence the one True religion would be the Apostolic Faith. Which a people would be not of race, but through grace. When Isaiah (speaking of Christ’s death) that who wold declare His generation. The prophet sees a young unmarried Judean male dying childless. No kinsman redeemer for Him since He was unmarried. So He wouldn’t have a physical generational linage. But when He fell asleep on the Cross ( gave up the ghost) out of His side came His wife (water and blood) Jesus name baptism the bride, the church, the true Israel of God. Just as the first Adam went to sleep, and his wife came from His side making the literal lineage. The same for Jesus which through Jesus name baptism we are born into His family, Jesus becomes our Father, we are His sons. We enter the only linage through circumcision of the heart, and the water and blood in His Name.

Dude im holding back a HolyGhost freakout right now...I just saw that in a way I have never seen it before.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ezra and Nehemiah give the short answer as to how they determined the members of tribes. Who was able to perform duties within the temple law system. Ezekiel goes further to give the prohibitions within the linage of the priest. Lineage meant everything to the ancient Israeli. What your article forgets to mention is HOW a Persian was able to convert to Isralism. How a female Moabitess was able to convert through the kinsman redeemer plan, and still bring forth children which would be considered her dead husband’s offspring.
Pharisees were able to have Gentile converts because they still had perfectly good lineages to place them in. Still, linage was VERY IMPORTANT as we see with Jesus’. Paul was actually able to point to his own pedigree. Which no Khazar could possibly do. Why? Because by the time of the Bar Kochba uprising the lineages were already sketchy. When we get to the Khazars all they are doing is joining the TEMPLESS religion of Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. A religion which was fabricated. Talmudism has no temple, just as when the original Judeans were in Babylon. After 70 AD, they just picked up were they left off, just no longer a people with any lineage connecting them to a land. Hence the one True religion would be the Apostolic Faith. Which a people would be not of race, but through grace. When Isaiah (speaking of Christ’s death) that who wold declare His generation. The prophet sees a young unmarried Judean male dying childless. No kinsman redeemer for Him since He was unmarried. So He wouldn’t have a physical generational linage. But when He fell asleep on the Cross ( gave up the ghost) out of His side came His wife (water and blood) Jesus name baptism the bride, the church, the true Israel of God. Just as the first Adam went to sleep, and his wife came from His side making the literal lineage. The same for Jesus which through Jesus name baptism we are born into His family, Jesus becomes our Father, we are His sons. We enter the only linage through circumcision of the heart, and the water and blood in His Name.

EB - so the Jews of today have no genetic link with the Jews of the Bible?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The real reason Christians love Israel.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

And some Christians like Irvin Baxter are actively working to be witnesses of the coming of Jesus Christ to the Jewish people that they might be saved. Something the Apostolic Church believed would happen in the future.

2 Cor 3:14-16

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

I don’t look too deep into various endtime views. Every view loses me around Revelations 15. . But, I have read Bible studies, aside from end times, by Brother Baxter and he does a very good job.

Having said that, as I was reading your scripture in 2 Cor 3:14-16, I felt it was speaking in regard to any course of evangelism that would reach any Jew, any time - as Paul ministered in his day to any time going forward. I am sure Paul knew they wouldn’t be won in a day, so to speak.

Your scriptures Posted speak to all Jews today and is another reason I would stand against anti-Semitic attacks.