Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sis, traced by blood isn’t found in the Bible. Traced by family lineage is found in the Bible. Why are lineages recorded in the Bible in the first place? Why are we given the genealogy of Jesus? Why is it important? If I call someone ignorant it is because they are. They are ignorant of the topics being discussed. It doesn’t make them a bad person, just makes them ignorant of the topic. Not being able to trace your genealogy means what? You actually prove my argument by your example. An example that may stretch back a 100 years? But you expect people to believe there are Jews who can trace back a complete linage back to Ezra? You would be able to faster trace your lineage to King David’s sling shot maker.

So explain why they had geneaolies, lineages, and pedigrees?

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

Well dont know that for sure because the Bible speaks only on what the Bible speaks on and it DOESNT speak about genetic testing.


Saying that it would be done through genetic testing is kinda putting words in Gods mouth that He didnt say and thats not even covering how the Near Kinsman thing would work since if we just used genetic testing.


Also the Jewish faith is traditionally Matrilineal and I have no idea when that started...but isnt there alot thats passed on only by the father?

[TGBTG]

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of any one special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of any one special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

Sorry, but you will be called a Nazi by group X. ;lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of any one special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

Israel is vitally important to God. It is God's inheritance in this world (Deut 9:29), it is the Kingdom of God in this earth (Psalm 114:1-2), it is chosen apart from all others (1 Chron 16:13, Psalm 147:19-20), it is the vehicle through which the knowledge of God and the Gospel is dispersed to all peoples (Deut 4:6-8, Isaiah 2:2-4).

Jesus is King of Israel (Luke 1:31-33). The promises and the covenants pertain to Israel (Romans 9:4-5).

The problem is, the people calling themselves "Jews" are not those people, nor is that country in Palestine that calls itself "Israel".

Jer 31 and Heb 8 both affirm explicitly that the new covenant was to be made with the same people as the old covenant was made with.

Joel 2 and Acts 2 explicitly affirm that the promise of the Spirit was a promise made to Israelites.

Galatians 1-6 teaches that the promises (including the promise of the Spirit) is not via the old covenant, but through the new covenant mediated by the Messiah.

Eph 2 teaches that the uncircumcised Gentiles (of the divorced House of Israel) were readmitted into lawful citizenship to the commonwealth of Israel via Messiah, exactly like all the prophets said they would be.

Far from affirming that God is a liberal, international socialist humanist globalist, these Scriptures prove that God is very much concerned with Israel, His people, that they both had and still have a divinely appointed destiny to be a blessing to every family, tribe, and people group on earth, that they have a divine mission to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the knowledge of God to every creature and e very tribe, tongue, family, nation etc. They have been fulfilling that divine prophesied mission for some 2000 years and counting (actually, its been around 3500 years and counting).

And they are most assuredly not "the Jews", nor are they some socialist antichrist country over in the middle east that has usurped the title "Israel".

[Esaias]

The major problem here is a particular group of people have been brainwashed for the last 100 years via both socialist public education AND subverted "Christian" teaching into thinking all nations and ethnic groups are completely irrelevant to God... with the possible exception of "the Jews", of course.

However, this is nothing but globalist, humanist, socialist, and Zionist claptrap.

The Bible reveals that each nation (ethnos, ethnic group, NOT political units, but ethnicities) is important to God. Each nation is given a particular piece of earth's real estate as an inheritance: it's their land, allotted to them by God (Acts 17:26). God of course reserves the right to evict a people for their sins (see Canaanites, Judah, etc). But every nation - ETHNIC GROUP - is important to God.

Salvation encompasses nations. There will be representative samples out of every nation (ethnic group) in eternity (Rev 7:9), Judgment and salvation includes national judgments and salvation (Matt 25:31-46).

The globalist humanist international socialist (aka COMMUNIST) ideology proposes that all nations and ethnicities are irrelevant and ought to be done away with (tower of Babel nonsense, the original "new world order"). But this globalist multicult programme is nothing less than a twisted attempt to prevent the fulfillment of the Gospel! Satan desires to kill off every nation (ethnicity) to thwart God's divine plan of saving the nations. If there are no nations, there are no nations to be saved.

This communist ideology has been imported into Christendom. A major component of the propaganda includes the Zionist variation called dispensationalism which claims a unique ethnonational position for Jews. So that all nations can devolve into indistinction leaving Jews alone as a distinct ethnonational group.

Zionist Jews ADMIT this is their agenda, as a defense mechanism as well as an offensive tactic in political warfare, in order to weaken historically Christian nations. The goal, according to their own statements which I posted here on this forum, is to prevent non Jewish nations from becoming a potential threat to Jewish power, cohesiveness, and identity.

But the BIBLE TRUTH is that God not only created every nation (ethnic group), not only divided to each of them a particular portion of the earth for their own homelands, but is also busy in the process of saving each of them.

Salvation of the nations means that each nation (ethnic group) will be saved, as a distinct national group, via the calling of members of each group to submit to Jesus Christ, King of the Universe, and author of eternal life.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of any one special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

Excellent

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of anyone special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

If you look back, you can see that I never refute what you are saying here. I am simply saying, without bringing in or having eschatology in mind, keeping a record of your family lineage is no different than the method we use today - genetic genealogy.

I still maintain that just because the temple was destroyed in 70AD doesn't mean that there is not one single, solitary person alive today who is not linked, by genetic heritage, to the time of Abraham.

Everyone is blowing up with eschatology. LOL!

Israel is a nation, a democratic ally, the US supports them because we have things in common. We help each other. For instance, in 2018, the Israel army signed a $200 million contract with the US to provide us with Israel's TROPHY anti-missile tank defense system. They have shared excellent advances in many areas with our nation, i.e., national security advice. There is no reason not to support Israel.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you look back, you can see that I never refute what you are saying here. I am simply saying, without bringing in or having eschatology in mind, keeping a record of your family lineage is no different than the method we use today - genetic genealogy.

It is very different. "Genetic ancestry testing" is bogus, it's been proven, I postedthe proof. Your rebuttal? Times of Israel?

I still maintain that just because the temple was destroyed in 70AD doesn't mean that there is not one single, solitary person alive today who is not linked, by genetic heritage, to the time of Abraham.

How is it you folks cannot read what is being claimed? Nobody said that except you and Mike. Once again, wherever the descendants of Jacob may be, they aren't the people called "Jews". Good grief.

Israel is a nation, a democratic ally, the US supports them because we have things in common. We help each other. For instance, in 2018, the Israel army signed a $200 million contract with the US to provide us with Israel's TROPHY anti-missile tank defense system. They have shared excellent advances in many areas with our nation, i.e., national security advice. There is no reason not to support Israel.

USS Liberty? ISIS? AlQaeda? Saudi Arabia? AIPAC? SPLC? ADL? There's plenty of reasons not to support Israel. With friends like that, who needs enemies? What exactly do they do for us? Besides support the eradication of our borders, death of our culture, subversion of our religion, perversion of our people, erosion of our security, encroachments on our freedoms and privacy, etc?

Not that I expect you to be aware of any of these things, but some of us don't just pass the plate when rabbi Hagee tweets the kosher kazoo, we've actually looked into these things.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

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...recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere. https://www.phys.org/news/2018-09-as...cientists.html

Selective copy and pasting? Did you read what your source wrote at the beginning of the article?:

According to mythology, the Judaeans descended from three patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who are buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs (Cave of Machpelah) in Hebron

Originally Posted by Esaias

It is very different. "Genetic ancestry testing" is bogus, it's been proven, I postedthe proof. Your rebuttal? Times of Israel?



How is it you folks cannot read what is being claimed? Nobody said that except you and Mike. Once again, wherever the descendants of Jacob may be, they aren't the people called "Jews". Good grief.



USS Liberty? ISIS? AlQaeda? Saudi Arabia? AIPAC? SPLC? ADL? There's plenty of reasons not to support Israel. With friends like that, who needs enemies? What exactly do they do for us? Besides support the eradication of our borders, death of our culture, subversion of our religion, perversion of our people, erosion of our security, encroachments on our freedoms and privacy, etc?

Not that I expect you to be aware of any of these things, but some of us don't just pass the plate when rabbi Hagee tweets the kosher kazoo, we've actually looked into these things.

I doubt anyone here listens to or follows Hagee, but nice try on keeping the eschatology portion of the discussion going which was never the point in the first place.

I stand with our support of Israel, thank you very much.