Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you look back, you can see that I never refute what you are saying here. I am simply saying, without bringing in or having eschatology in mind, keeping a record of your family lineage is no different than the method we use today - genetic genealogy.

It is very different. "Genetic ancestry testing" is bogus, it's been proven, I postedthe proof. Your rebuttal? Times of Israel?

I still maintain that just because the temple was destroyed in 70AD doesn't mean that there is not one single, solitary person alive today who is not linked, by genetic heritage, to the time of Abraham.

How is it you folks cannot read what is being claimed? Nobody said that except you and Mike. Once again, wherever the descendants of Jacob may be, they aren't the people called "Jews". Good grief.

Israel is a nation, a democratic ally, the US supports them because we have things in common. We help each other. For instance, in 2018, the Israel army signed a $200 million contract with the US to provide us with Israel's TROPHY anti-missile tank defense system. They have shared excellent advances in many areas with our nation, i.e., national security advice. There is no reason not to support Israel.

USS Liberty? ISIS? AlQaeda? Saudi Arabia? AIPAC? SPLC? ADL? There's plenty of reasons not to support Israel. With friends like that, who needs enemies? What exactly do they do for us? Besides support the eradication of our borders, death of our culture, subversion of our religion, perversion of our people, erosion of our security, encroachments on our freedoms and privacy, etc?

Not that I expect you to be aware of any of these things, but some of us don't just pass the plate when rabbi Hagee tweets the kosher kazoo, we've actually looked into these things.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

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...recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere. https://www.phys.org/news/2018-09-as...cientists.html

Selective copy and pasting? Did you read what your source wrote at the beginning of the article?:

According to mythology, the Judaeans descended from three patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who are buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs (Cave of Machpelah) in Hebron

Originally Posted by Esaias

It is very different. "Genetic ancestry testing" is bogus, it's been proven, I postedthe proof. Your rebuttal? Times of Israel?



How is it you folks cannot read what is being claimed? Nobody said that except you and Mike. Once again, wherever the descendants of Jacob may be, they aren't the people called "Jews". Good grief.



USS Liberty? ISIS? AlQaeda? Saudi Arabia? AIPAC? SPLC? ADL? There's plenty of reasons not to support Israel. With friends like that, who needs enemies? What exactly do they do for us? Besides support the eradication of our borders, death of our culture, subversion of our religion, perversion of our people, erosion of our security, encroachments on our freedoms and privacy, etc?

Not that I expect you to be aware of any of these things, but some of us don't just pass the plate when rabbi Hagee tweets the kosher kazoo, we've actually looked into these things.

I doubt anyone here listens to or follows Hagee, but nice try on keeping the eschatology portion of the discussion going which was never the point in the first place.

I stand with our support of Israel, thank you very much.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Selective copy and pasting? Did you read what your source wrote at the beginning of the article?:

According to mythology, the Judaeans descended from three patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who are buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs (Cave of Machpelah) in Hebron

The article deals with the science. Did you read the OTHER quotes/links I posted? Obviously not.

I doubt anyone here listens to or follows Hagee, but nice try on keeping the eschatology portion of the discussion going which was never the point in the first place.

Here are the two opening posts in this thread:

Originally Posted by diakonos

Source

Originally Posted by diakonos

Wonder how long before they erect the golden Trump statue that comes to life. Wait, no, Trump is from God... no, he’s antichrist, no... I don’t know. And neither do you, futurist!



Ok ok I’m going to sleep

As you can see, the thread starter brought eschatology into the discussion at the beginning. So, nice try on avoiding the eschatology portion of the discussion, which was apparently one of the main points of the discussion.

I stand with our support of Israel, thank you very much.

So you support securing a foreign country's security while allowing your own country's security to go down the drain, primarily as a result of the policies promoted by the people whose security you support?

Sounds a bit... misguided?

[Esaias]

It is claimed that Israel is our ally, a voice of reason in the otherwise violent and insane middle east.

Yet,

Prior to the creation of the Jewish state, the ONLY "threat" in the middle east was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE, which was effectively defeated in WW1. The creation of the modern state of Israel by the British in 1948 engulfed the region into brutal guerrilla warfare and terrorism, ethnic cleansing (genocide), murder and mayhem.

Followed by Western support of radical Sunni Islamic jihadists (Saudi Arabia, most notably). This, combined with partisan plays by the US and the UK in pitting Sunni vs Shia, overthrowing the government of Iran, supporting socialist Baath Party controlled Iraq (Saddam Hussein, et al) in Iran-Iraq War, plus various Israeli pressuring and provocations, combined with Soviet interventions and support, playing the "other side" in the Cold War, have kept the middle east in flames ever since 1948.

In other words, the entire "mid east crisis" that's been going on since the end of WW2 has been the DIRECT result of US and UK interfering in the region.

"But muh USSR and Ayrab terrrrrrizms!!!" The USSR, our ally in WW2 (the War to Save Communism), supported from the beginning by US and British largesse, established by Bolshevik Communists where up until Stalin's purges the Communist Party was essentially a blatant "Jewish socialist" political party who upon seizing power immediately banned the infamous "Protocols of Zion" and outlawed "antisemitism"... THAT Soviet Union?

Geopolitics has been a long-running kabuki theater act since at least the 1800s folks. Wake up.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It is claimed that Israel is our ally, a voice of reason in the otherwise violent and insane middle east.

Yet,

Prior to the creation of the Jewish state, the ONLY "threat" in the middle east was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE, which was effectively defeated in WW1. The creation of the modern state of Israel by the British in 1948 engulfed the region into brutal guerrilla warfare and terrorism, ethnic cleansing (genocide), murder and mayhem.

Followed by Western support of radical Sunni Islamic jihadists (Saudi Arabia, most notably). This, combined with partisan plays by the US and the UK in pitting Sunni vs Shia, overthrowing the government of Iran, supporting socialist Baath Party controlled Iraq (Saddam Hussein, et al) in Iran-Iraq War, plus various Israeli pressuring and provocations, combined with Soviet interventions and support, playing the "other side" in the Cold War, have kept the middle east in flames ever since 1948.

In other words, the entire "mid east crisis" that's been going on since the end of WW2 has been the DIRECT result of US and UK interfering in the region.

"But muh USSR and Ayrab terrrrrrizms!!!" The USSR, our ally in WW2 (the War to Save Communism), supported from the beginning by US and British largesse, established by Bolshevik Communists where up until Stalin's purges the Communist Party was essentially a blatant "Jewish socialist" political party who upon seizing power immediately banned the infamous "Protocols of Zion" and outlawed "antisemitism"... THAT Soviet Union?

Geopolitics has been a long-running kabuki theater act since at least the 1800s folks. Wake up.

Yeah Ive become pretty disillusioned as of late when it comes to things Ive discovered about our governments involvement in other wars/conflicts.


The warmongering and bloodshed for profit is evil and heartbreaking.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you look back, you can see that I never refute what you are saying here. I am simply saying, without bringing in or having eschatology in mind, keeping a record of your family lineage is no different than the method we use today - genetic genealogy.

I still maintain that just because the temple was destroyed in 70AD doesn't mean that there is not one single, solitary person alive today who is not linked, by genetic heritage, to the time of Abraham.

Everyone is blowing up with eschatology. LOL!

Israel is a nation, a democratic ally, the US supports them because we have things in common. We help each other. For instance, in 2018, the Israel army signed a $200 million contract with the US to provide us with Israel's TROPHY anti-missile tank defense system. They have shared excellent advances in many areas with our nation, i.e., national security advice. There is no reason not to support Israel.

No eschatology but genealogy.

I’ll ask again, what was the main importantence of linages, genealogies, and pedigrees in the Bible. Why did we need a genealogy for the Christ?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No eschatology but genealogy.

I’ll ask again, what was the main importantence of linages, genealogies, and pedigrees in the Bible. Why did we need a genealogy for the Christ?

The genealogy, as you know, was a historical and legal record to prove a family's background. I would note that generally only males were included, but in the Book of Matthew three Gentile women were named, which showed that God cared for people outside of the Jewish line as well.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The article deals with the science. Did you read the OTHER quotes/links I posted? Obviously not.

So, your article, while dealing with "science" prefaced their remarks stating that the Bible characters were a myth. Okay.... That study was going to go well. LOL!

Here are the two opening posts in this thread:

As you can see, the thread starter brought eschatology into the discussion at the beginning. So, nice try on avoiding the eschatology portion of the discussion, which was apparently one of the main points of the discussion.

And, yet, my posts in this thread have stated that was not where I was coming from on the issue.

So you support securing a foreign country's security while allowing your own country's security to go down the drain, primarily as a result of the policies promoted by the people whose security you support?

Sounds a bit... misguided?

We shouldn't allow a strategic ally in the Middle East to lose our support just because we have problems in our country. We have a lot more people and a very diverse group of political people in our system. Trump has headed in the right direction capping our funding at the UN. No one else has done that. So, it's a start.

You and I both hold a glass half full of water. It depends on how you look at the level of the water in that glass, Sunshine.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The genealogy, as you know, was a historical and legal record to prove a family's background. I would note that generally only males were included, but in the Book of Matthew three Gentile women were named, which showed that God cared for people outside of the Jewish line as well.

Having a Moabitess included into a record didn’t mean that God cared for people outside of the TRIBAL lines. People tend to use the word Jewish like they are talking about Asian, African, European, when in fact Israel wasn’t just made up of one tribe, but many different tribes.. Jews today are of no tribe. You repeating your self that there has to be someone doesn’t line up with what you explained to me above. The lineages were mandertory. Everyony had to have an authentic genealogy. For Jesus to tell them that the generation He was speaking to wouldn’t end until everything was completed would of been understood by His audience. We Pentecostals allow that statement to wiz right over our heads.
You have to remember that you were really not taught much about Bible lineage genealogy. So when someone brings it up it is discounted and gets placed on the pay no mind list. The Gentiles being placed in Jesus’ lineage are important to show when females were married into a tribe. Not one word about showing how God cares about those outside the line of Israel. Because Abraham was once a pagan among pagans. The Bible is about come out from among them. It isn’t about a DNA strand only linked to one race. It is about repentance and conversion. Jesus’ linage also has an individual who was cursed. Does that mean God wanted to show He thought about those He cursed? No, lineages were to show who was qualified for what and who you were connected to. You have no genealogy? Then you CANNOT PROVE you were part of that physical covenant made in flesh. We are to no longer be concerned with ENDLESS genealogies. Because they are no longer any concern with God.
What we called Israel over in the Middle East means as much to God as Borger Texas. Borger isn’t in the Bible, and neither is the new country called Israel.

No one in Israel today can prove any lineage to Ancient Israel.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Having a Moabitess included into a record didn’t mean that God cared for people outside of the TRIBAL lines. People tend to use the word Jewish like they are talking about Asian, African, European, when in fact Israel wasn’t just made up of one tribe, but many different tribes.. Jews today are of no tribe. You repeating your self that there has to be someone doesn’t line up with what you explained to me above. The lineages were mandertory. Everyony had to have an authentic genealogy. For Jesus to tell them that the generation He was speaking to wouldn’t end until everything was completed would of been understood by His audience. We Pentecostals allow that statement to wiz right over our heads.
You have to remember that you were really not taught much about Bible lineage genealogy. So when someone brings it up it is discounted and gets placed on the pay no mind list. The Gentiles being placed in Jesus’ lineage are important to show when females were married into a tribe. Not one word about showing how God cares about those outside the line of Israel. Because Abraham was once a pagan among pagans. The Bible is about come out from among them. It isn’t about a DNA strand only linked to one race. It is about repentance and conversion. Jesus’ linage also has an individual who was cursed. Does that mean God wanted to show He thought about those He cursed? No, lineages were to show who was qualified for what and who you were connected to. You have no genealogy? Then you CANNOT PROVE you were part of that physical covenant made in flesh. We are to no longer be concerned with ENDLESS genealogies. Because they are no longer any concern with God.
What we called Israel over in the Middle East means as much to God as Borger Texas. Borger isn’t in the Bible, and neither is the new country called Israel.

No one in Israel today can prove any lineage to Ancient Israel.

I believe that "Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel," was mentioned to understand Haggai's blessing (Haggai 2:20-24) of Zerubabbel as the rescission of Jeremiah's curse (Jeremiah 22:24-30) reinstating Jehoiachin's line on David's throne.

Since Joseph's genealogy would include Johoachin (Matthew 1:12), the reinstatement would be important to include his name.

Jesus would have the genealogy titles from both Joseph and Mary as

• Son of David
• Son of Abrabram (No answer as to why God chose a pagan to be the father of all Israel, He just chose Abraham)
• Son of Adam (receiving his full humanity from his mother
• Son of God.

I do still believe that the women mentioned in the lineage was important, as Matthew makes clear - God was coming to save the lost sheep Israel and that the Gentiles would also benefit. You can't read Rahab's name and think otherwise, IMO. It stands to reason as Jesus spoke to the Jewish people first - "and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem."

Lastly, I do agree that under the NT Covenant genealogy and tribes do not "matter" even if the Jewish people think otherwise. I also do not believe that lineage/bloodlines end just because paperwork was destroyed. I do believe that we could still find Jewish people, all over the world, who would relate back to Abraham if we had that capability.

An interesting story, a friend was looking for a person from their past, but did not know the person's name, where this person lived, etc. Temporarily putting that on a backburner, the person decided out of curiosty to submit their information to Ancestry.com. Some few months later, they received a notice that a person wanted to contact them as their DNA was a 95% match. Hooking up and after conversing and verifying incidents of time, location and history, everything discovered was found to be true. The person found their family they thought had been lost to them. Happy ending.

So, no, I do not believe that genetic genealogy is bogus.