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Old 05-16-2019, 07:07 PM
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Re: The Timing of Cornelius’ Baptism of the Holy G

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Wouldn’t you view Peter “commanding/giving orders” as a strong indication that he viewed the conversion experience incomplete without all elements involved, i.e., repent, baptism, infilling of HG? Commanding is pretty emphatic, IMO.

“So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days.” Acts 10:48
I would indeed believe that his command shows that we are to be baptized in water and baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am not arguing that baptism is insignificant or dispensable. As I told Esaias, we all believe that Christians are to experience Acts 2:38, but we disagree theologically on how we understand it.

Believing that salvation comes at true repentance and that baptism signifies this and is our identifying with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection used to be an acceptable position within the UPCI, which I am a part of, but now it is not. I'm not sure how prevalent this view has been in other Oneness groups.
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I would indeed believe that his command shows that we are to be baptized in water and baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am not arguing that baptism is insignificant or dispensable. As I told Esaias, we all believe that Christians are to experience Acts 2:38, but we disagree theologically on how we understand it.

Believing that salvation comes at true repentance and that baptism signifies this and is our identifying with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection used to be an acceptable position within the UPCI, which I am a part of, but now it is not. I'm not sure how prevalent this view has been in other Oneness groups.

2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

So, Israel was already saved way before Pentecost.
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So, Israel was already saved way before Pentecost.
People were saved in the Old Testament by grace through faith based on the atoning sacrifice of Christ if they had the same justifying faith like Abraham had.
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People were saved in the Old Testament by grace through faith based on the atoning sacrifice of Christ if they had the same justifying faith like Abraham had.
That’s not what 2 Chron 7:14 is saying.

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That’s not what 2 Chron 7:14 is saying.

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Maybe you could. I don't know what you're trying to say. Justification had been the topic in the last couple of posts. You mentioned the salvation of people in the OT, so I just stated how they were justified. In short, just like NT believers.
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