Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

yawn we calculated this friend

Numbers stand. Deaths by organ failure or pneumonia or strokes caused by clotting because a virus attacks veins are still caused by the virus that did it.
What kind of morons assume otherwise?

Deaths per year, month, week, are available for years and years. Show us that this happens all the time.

trumper idiots are spreading this. You one? Taiwan needs a “vaccine”? No. SARS? No. SARS was stamped before a vaccine could be made. A vaccine is necessary if this is not stamped out like SARS and like MERS. Only trumpers and trumper wingnuts want to spread it. Why.

wii - I used to have some respect for your ability to debate and come up with a coherent argument.
What happened?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I used to have some respect for your ability to debate and come up with a coherent argument.
What happened?

On this one? The tedious effort of obtaining and comparing state (Texas) and national total deaths, all causes, no codes or bias, resulted in a 2020 vs 2019 difference from Feb 1 to Aug of 200,000. So nationally ~200,000 more people died. That number, ~200,000, coming from just a comparison of 2020 vs 2019, is more than the site that tracks the accumulated COV deaths. In fact, that site was was reporting 192,000 and the raw data all cause death difference was 27 weeks x 62649 per week (2020) minus 55,288 per week (2019) or 198,747. It was very, very closely aligned but actual was just slightly higher than the sum total of state/county deaths that are reported as COVId related.

These guys attribute 6,000 of these to COVID. Silence on the 194,000 others. Unexplainable, but assuredly not cannot be absolutely not COVID.

What kind of logic is that? “COVID and pneumonia” gets excluded. “COVID and organ failure” gets excluded. “COVID and stroke” gets excluded. “COVID and heart failure” gets excluded and the conclusion becomes “hey look nobody died of just COVID” so “COVID is safe to spread around!”. Followed by “We exposed the deep state”!!!!

The thinking process behind the development of that convoluted logic is astounding. Hence the probably inappropriately coined term “wingnut”.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

On this one? The tedious effort of obtaining and comparing state (Texas) and national total deaths, all causes, no codes or bias, resulted in a 2020 vs 2019 difference from Feb 1 to Aug of 200,000. So nationally ~200,000 more people died. That number, ~200,000, coming from just a comparison of 2020 vs 2019, is more than the site that tracks the accumulated COV deaths. In fact, that site was was reporting 192,000 and the raw data all cause death difference was 27 weeks x 62649 per week (2020) minus 55,288 per week (2019) or 198,747. It was very, very closely aligned but actual was just slightly higher than the sum total of state/county deaths that are reported as COVId related.

These guys attribute 6,000 of these to COVID. Silence on the 194,000 others. Unexplainable, but assuredly not cannot be absolutely not COVID.

What kind of logic is that? “COVID and pneumonia” gets excluded. “COVID and organ failure” gets excluded. “COVID and stroke” gets excluded. “COVID and heart failure” gets excluded and the conclusion becomes “hey look nobody died of just COVID” so “COVID is safe to spread around!”. Followed by “We exposed the deep state”!!!!

The thinking process behind the development of that convoluted logic is astounding. Hence the probably inappropriately coined term “wingnut”.

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

No need for HCQ or any other treatment if people aren’t spreading it.

I was interested in when the spikes happened - so

Did the same look week by week for our state.

We were locked down until May 19th, we opened with local governments prohibited from enforcing masks or mask rules.

Our hospitals were full by the first week of July. Mandatory masks in public were ordered July 3rd.

Spikes (Texas) were June and July and it looks like they were falling in August.

Total deaths - state

2019 Jan-mid August: 130,403
2020 Jan-mid August: 150,254

Average weekly - state

2019 average: 3952 per week
2020 average: 4553 per week

Peak weeks: 7/18 6102, 7/25 6108 (156% of 2019 weekly average)

Posted the link to the data for all states, all weeks, both years in another thread, it’s CDC total deaths all causes provisional 2019-2020. It’s about 6 weeks behind, have to be careful with the last few weeks, I stopped mid August.

Deaths are up. Significantly up. For some reason. In our state, they were elevated most of the year, but the big spike was late July about 2-3 weeks after the hospitalization spike.

I dont have any reason to believe COV deaths are being exaggerated, the COV “reported deaths” are lower than this “all cause” increase in raw unclassified/uncoded numbers.

What else but COVID. If related to lockdown/stay at home I would expect March and April and May to spike, not June, July after stay at home was lifted and we went to Phase II

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

Don't forget the Ivermectin protocol, too.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Don't forget the Ivermectin protocol, too.

And the Zelenko protocol I think has alternatives to HCQ.

It is helpful to understand that these protocols really have nothing to do with the invisible, phantom so-called virus, even if they are written up in virus language in a paper.

They simply help expedite blood-oxygen transmission. (My understanding, so far.) The root causes can be toxic buildup from poor diet, radiation, 5G, or any combination of factors.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

Remember, there were active murder machines in use, the ventilator abuse. Wrong treatment for the wrong ailment (blood-oxygen transmission, not pneumonia) at the wrong timing (people able to breathe and talk well) ... all because it was the protocol.

This is one reason Denis Rancourt, in studying the all-cause-mortality numbers, talks of homicide. "Mass homicide by government response."

They will not give you the numbers murdered with this protocol. However we do know that in the NYC area 80-90% of those treated in this improper way died.

Many thousands. Maybe 10s of thousands.

One hero .. Cameron Kyle-Sidell. Spoke up on this in April, likely saved thousands of lives. Lost his privileges in covid ward and was sent down to ER.