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[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

This is between Old Covenant Zealots and New Covenant Followers.

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. When the Bible says that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill", there's a grave misunderstanding of the word 'kill'. It means not to commit murder, it doesn't mean that killing itself is verboten. Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

Now, before you go accusing me of being bloodthirsty, I don't want to kill anyone. No one sane wants to take another life - and I pray every day that I don't have to - but those of us who carry, acknowledge that it's sometimes necessary.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Jito463

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. When the Bible says that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill", there's a grave misunderstanding of the word 'kill'. It means not to commit murder, it doesn't mean that killing itself is verboten. Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

Now, before you go accusing me of being bloodthirsty, I don't want to kill anyone. No one sane wants to take another life - and I pray every day that I don't have to - but those of us who carry, acknowledge that it's sometimes necessary.

Originally Posted by Jito463

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it.

I agree with you. I’m in no wise saying we take the Old Covenant and throw it out the window, nor am I saying rip it out of your Bible or Tablet. Yet, as you stated which was first spoken by our Lord, Jesus Christ. He came to fulfill the law. That word that you have quoted, means complete, furnish, etc... Now, are YOU going to follow the Law (Old Covenant) in the light of the New Covenant fully? If so, How can you? How can you follow the Old Covenant completely to the letter and at the same time follow the New Covenant to the letter? The Old Covenant was not complete, what completed it, was the spirit and life of Jesus Christ.

For example,

Exodus 21:24-27
[24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
[25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
[26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
[27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

This was allowed in the times of the Former Covenant.
If someone hit you, you had every right in earth and heaven to hit them back.

How was this fulfilled?

Luke 6:28-31
[28] Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. [29] And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
[30] Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
[31] And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

In our previous text, it spoke of vengeance, someone hurt your eye, you need to hurt them back. Yet, in the Light of the New Covenant, by the way the same covenant that you correctly said fulfilled the old. We are to turn the other cheek for the same person that just hit us, in order for him to hit us again. That’s what Jesus is teaching, something totally opposite of the Old Covenant. I could give you more examples, yet I know you already know them. So, once again, which Covenant are you going to follow the Old or the New?

Originally Posted by Jito463

Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

You do as you feel.