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06-27-2007, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
No, they consider themselves orthodox, not Orthodox. The difference is not just in the capitalizing of the first letter. There are differences between the Eastern Church (which became the Orthodox Church after the great schism) and the Western Church (which became the Roman Catholic Church after the great schism).
The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed says "of one essence with the Father." The Greek word they used was homoousion (same substance/essence).
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Do you have a link for the Eastern Churches version of the creed? I have a Christian History and Biography magazine that highlights the Eastern Orthodox church. And I also have your book. I haven't read much of either yet. Other books keep bumping up to the top of my reading list. I'm finishing Verbal Bean's book on the gifts of the Spirit, then I was going to read a book by Bounds on prayer that PP recommended.
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06-27-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Do you have a link for the Eastern Churches version of the creed? I have a Christian History and Biography magazine that highlights the Eastern Orthodox church. And I also have your book. I haven't read much of either yet. Other books keep bumping up to the top of my reading list. I'm finishing Verbal Bean's book on the gifts of the Spirit, then I was going to read a book by Bounds on prayer that PP recommended.
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Here's the link from one Orthodox source: http://www.antiochian.org/674
E. M. Bounds wrote several books on prayer; all of them are well worth reading.
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06-27-2007, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
Better question. Ask them if Jesus is the Father.
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Bad theology! This is what gets OP's in trouble so many times. Jesus is NOT the Father. Jesus Christ is God manifest in flesh. There was a difference between Jesus and the Father. The Father did not have flesh and bone. He created it. God was IN Christ reconciling the world to Himself. This is why the label "Jesus only" fits the way some think.
I am Oneness through and through and do not believe in more than ONE in God or in heaven, but there was a twoness to Jesus Christ. Spirit and Flesh. God made it that way. Not two persons, two natures. Jesus was the God/Man and not just God or Man.
Get your theology straight and someone might listen.
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06-27-2007, 01:47 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Bad theology! This is what gets OP's in trouble so many times. Jesus is NOT the Father. Jesus Christ is God manifest in flesh. There was a difference between Jesus and the Father. The Father did not have flesh and bone. He created it. God was IN Christ reconciling the world to Himself. This is why the label "Jesus only" fits the way some think.
I am Oneness through and through and do not believe in more than ONE in God or in heaven, but there was a twoness to Jesus Christ. Spirit and Flesh. God made it that way. Not two persons, two natures. Jesus was the God/Man and not just God or Man.
Get your theology straight and someone might listen.
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Very well said!
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06-27-2007, 02:04 PM
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See how even within oneness ranks there are a variety of opinions. I have spent years studying this... intensly... I lean towards trinitarianism as a result of those studies... however it is flawed.... AS ARE ALL GODHEAD DOCTRINES
It is finite man's best attempt to understand infinite God
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06-27-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
See how even within oneness ranks there are a variety of opinions. I have spent years studying this... intensly... I lean towards trinitarianism as a result of those studies... however it is flawed.... AS ARE ALL GODHEAD DOCTRINES
It is finite man's best attempt to understand infinite God
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Are the Godhead doctrines flawed or does it have to do with Christologies? Seriously, I think most Oneness understand who God is, but find difficulty with God manifest in flesh.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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06-28-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Are the Godhead doctrines flawed or does it have to do with Christologies? Seriously, I think most Oneness understand who God is, but find difficulty with God manifest in flesh.
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First, the term "Godhead" is just an archaic word for "godhood" (the state of being divine). Second, you create a false choice. It isn't a choice being between Godhead doctrines being false and Godhead doctrines having something to do with Christology. The choice is between the doctrines being about the nature of God and the doctrines being about Christology. The early Creeds were the result of resolving issues of Christology. Was Christ the same substance/essence as the Father? Was He just a created being who was of similar substance/essence as the Father? Was He something else entirely? Was He fully God and fully man in hypostatic union or was His humanity nothing more than some garment God put on and, thus, Jesus didn't have a human nature at all? Everyone involved with the debates resulting in the Creeds agreed that there is one God. The issue was who Christ is in relation to God.
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06-27-2007, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
See how even within oneness ranks there are a variety of opinions. I have spent years studying this... intensly... I lean towards trinitarianism as a result of those studies... however it is flawed.... AS ARE ALL GODHEAD DOCTRINES
It is finite man's best attempt to understand infinite God
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You find just as many variations within the Trinity camp as well. I have heard every Trinitarian argument and viewpoint under the sun and as well the different OP viewpoints and have come to the conclusion that the OP viewpoint I have is the most sound scripturally and logically
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06-27-2007, 07:09 PM
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You find just as many variations within the Trinity camp as well. I have heard every Trinitarian argument and viewpoint under the sun and as well the different OP viewpoints and have come to the conclusion that the OP viewpoint I have is the most sound scripturally and logically
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I agree, that my viewpoint is the most sound scripturally and logically. 
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06-28-2007, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You find just as many variations within the Trinity camp as well. I have heard every Trinitarian argument and viewpoint under the sun and as well the different OP viewpoints and have come to the conclusion that the OP viewpoint I have is the most sound scripturally and logically
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Isn't this the mantra of EVERYONE op and Trinitarian!?! 
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