THe Current PCI Beliefs

berkeley · #1 02-24-2007, 10:02 PM

My thoughts..

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John 3:3-5
"...Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

PCI believes that you are born again at repentance, is that correct?
I always thought this passage of scripture taught that being "born again" is one and the same as being born of water and of the Spirit (baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost).

SDG · #2 02-25-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

My thoughts..

PCI believes that you are born again at repentance, is that correct?
I always thought this passage of scripture taught that being "born again" is one and the same as being born of water and of the Spirit (baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost).

Any takers on Berk's question???

ManOfWord · #3 02-25-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

This statement has caught my attention and got me thinking. I'm not sure if I agree or not.

Want to explain what you mean here bro? How and why would there be less disagreement? Just want to hear your thinking on this.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Hey Chuck ... I see consensus on this thread among the PCIers... Thou art not a prophet ....

now the PAJCers ... different story all together ... they agree on Acts 2:38 as THE MESSAGE ...but the interpretations abound ....

DA's post above pretty much explains what I meant. Some PAJC'ers or more adamant than others.............then you have the "Epleys."

Sherri · #4 02-25-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

My thoughts..

PCI believes that you are born again at repentance, is that correct?
I always thought this passage of scripture taught that being "born again" is one and the same as being born of water and of the Spirit (baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost).

You must be born of the water and the Spirit. Born of the water is natural physical birth; born of the Spirit is when you are born into the kingdom of God (redeemed).

berkeley · #5 02-25-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

You must be born of the water and the Spirit. Born of the water is natural physical birth; born of the Spirit is when you are born into the kingdom of God (redeemed).

if born of water is the natural physical birth, then what was the point of mentioning it??

SDG · #6 02-25-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

if born of water is the natural physical birth, then what was the point of mentioning it??

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

Sherri · #7 02-25-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

Exactly! That you need to be born of the Spirit just as you were born of the natural. That natural birth isn't enough.

berkeley · #8 02-25-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

hmm..

Sam · #9 02-25-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

if born of water is the natural physical birth, then what was the point of mentioning it??

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

berkeley · #10 02-25-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

that makes a bit of sense to this PAJC guy.. lol