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[OP_Carl]

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition, which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions." This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, and completely unlike those "Munsters," lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was. The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany. The origins of Christian pacifism are reactionary in nature. Some may call it cowardice, and some may say it was the pragmatism of survival. I would fight in the American Revolution or in the Confederate Army, if I were in those times.

Some things simply don't need explaining, or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition, which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions." This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was. The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany.

Some things simply don't need explaining, or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

god bless you brother, good words, dt

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition, which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions." This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, and completely unlike those "Munsters," lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was. The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany. The origins of Christian pacifism are reactionary in nature. Some may call it cowardice, and some may say it was the pragmatism of survival. I would fight in the American Revolution or in the Confederate Army, if I were in those times.

Some things simply don't need explaining, or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

Your approach is called “poisoning the well.” It makes for good argument in a court of law or for human reasoning, but is unacceptable evidence in biblical hermeneutics.

To use your reasoning, remember Jim Jones began as a UPC minister, and David Koresh was a dispensationalist. So do we now teach against the apostolic faith and against pre-trib eschatology because of the evils of these men? You can’t use what you said and not do the same with these.

Why not just list your scriptures. The Bible, not slander, is the way we determine biblical Truth! oloroid

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Your approach is called “poisoning the well.” It makes for good argument in a court of law or for human reasoning, but is unacceptable evidence in biblical hermeneutics.

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

Amen.

It kind of leaves us who have offered to sacrificed life and blood for THEIR freedom but would not do the same for others, disheartened and disappointed.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Amen.

It kind of leaves us who have offered to sacrificed life and blood for THEIR freedom but would not do the same for others, disheartened and disappointed.

The sacrifice for freedom and liberty that the Bible is concerned with is stated here:

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Corinthians 3:17)

It is JESUS' sacrifice and His blood that brings mankind liberty, not our's.

The USA is neither a Christian's country nor their source of true freedom. Remember what happened when the Jews said they had no king but Caesar? So is your king then a president? PLEASE!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

There you go Brother Carl, righteousness worth KILLING for?

Do you men see what you're typing? This is not some John Wayne ethic.
Jesus said turn the other cheek.

Righteousness:
Acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

Jesus taught to not retaliate, not to repay evil with evil. How are you all truning the words of Christ around?

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There you go Brother Carl, righteousness worth KILLING for?

Do you men see what you're typing? This is not some John Wayne ethic.
Jesus said turn the other cheek.

Righteousness:
Acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

Jesus taught to not retaliate, not to repay evil with evil. How are you all truning the words of Christ around?

So if a man was raping your wife and daughters you'd just stand by and let him. What if you prayed and he didn't stop?

I would protect my family without hesitating even to the use of deadly force. No it's not bravado speaking it the love for my family. Now once the perp is down and of no harm then I'd be glad to lay hands on him prayfully for his life to be restored.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

So if a man was raping your wife and daughters you'd just stand by and let him. What if you prayed and he didn't stop?

I would protect my family without hesitating even to the use of deadly force. No it's not bravado speaking it the love for my family. Now once the perp is down and of no harm then I'd be glad to lay hands on him prayfully for his life to be restored.

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his tail every time he hopped.

Let me help you out here. First thing the "one" rapist would have to get passed me. No violence, I never had to use violence with an unruly child.
In the world I never had to beat the snot out of an individual to remove them from the bar. Even when they were angry and wanted to rip my head off, I always was able to escort the individual WITHOUT harm. Now since I'm among the defenseless Christians I see that through prayer the Lord Jesus Christ will protect my family and see them all the way through.

I totally understand that my wife and children are in the arms of Jesus Christ.
I totally understand that I'm not allowed to use deadly force no matter what. Since I depend on Jesus to be able to take care of the rest then that's all I will have.

Now my question for you my Brother is this, if a gang attacks your family what will you do? Think about it real well before you answer me.

Also to you carry a handgun?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his tail every time he hopped.

Let me help you out here. First thing the "one" rapist would have to get passed me. No violence, I never had to use violence with an unruly child.

What an analogy?!?

Just don't break in my house and try to harm my family....there would be no need for an exit....