Your question is not new here. It has already been dealt with in earlier posts. But to answer it again, let me ask you to put into context the following things:
1. While being espoused to a man, if a woman is found impregnated by another man, she was to be stoned according to the Law of God.
2. Mary was espoused to Joseph but was found impregnated by (supposedly) another man.
His thinking about putting her away indicates that she had been with another man. Joseph had God’s Word that he was to stone Mary for her infidelity, yet he chose to divorce Mary.
3. The Bible says that Joseph was a “just man.” This means he was one that kept the Law of God. It also says because Joseph kept the Law he chose to divorce Mary secretly and to not make her sin public knowledge.
But is THAT what the Law said to do? Did it? What I am going to ask you next, I ask not in jest, or to bait you, but with sincerity. Here is your question: since Joseph did not stone Mary as God’s Word provided, why did the same Word of God call him “JUST” for his choice?
Good question. My answer: Joseph was better than blindly following a law that he saw as too harsh. That Joseph actually disobeyed this law, apparently with God's blessing, is interesting. Joseph was still under the old covenant, so he literally disobeyed that law. Or was the new covenant already beginning to take effect, years before the cross?
But, that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking about the law -- which OT laws we should obey, which ones we can ignore, etc. I asked about your post saying that Jesus is our example in all things. Is Jesus, even in the OT, our example in all things? I don't see an OT example for Joseph to follow in deciding to disobey that law. How did he know it was better to show mercy on Mary than have her killed?
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Good question. My answer: Joseph was better than blindly following a law that he saw as too harsh. That Joseph actually disobeyed this law, apparently with God's blessing, is interesting. Joseph was still under the old covenant, so he literally disobeyed that law. Or was the new covenant already beginning to take effect, years before the cross?
But, that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking about the law -- which OT laws we should obey, which ones we can ignore, etc. I asked about your post saying that Jesus is our example in all things. Is Jesus, even in the OT, our example in all things? I don't see an OT example for Joseph to follow in deciding to disobey that law. How did he know it was better to show mercy on Mary than have her killed?
Tim are you in a church?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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Good question. My answer: Joseph was better than blindly following a law that he saw as too harsh. That Joseph actually disobeyed this law, apparently with God's blessing, is interesting. Joseph was still under the old covenant, so he literally disobeyed that law. Or was the new covenant already beginning to take effect, years before the cross?
But, that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking about the law -- which OT laws we should obey, which ones we can ignore, etc. I asked about your post saying that Jesus is our example in all things. Is Jesus, even in the OT, our example in all things? I don't see an OT example for Joseph to follow in deciding to disobey that law. How did he know it was better to show mercy on Mary than have her killed?
Timmy, you are not answering this. Of course this IS about Jesus. My question concerns His birth. This came from His OT plan. Look again. You need to look up what the Law and the Law Giver--Jesus--said about the Law. Look again, Timmy.
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The Associated Press and MTV recently did an extensive survey with 1,280 young people between the ages 13-24. They asked them 100 questions about what in life makes them happy. Nearly three-quarters of young people said their relationship with their parents makes them happy. The leading answer as to who they considered to be their hero was answered as either their mom, dad, or both parents. But when it came to a person outside this circle the leading answer was Martin Luther King Jr. Now what is Martin known for? Uhm, his stance for civil rights. And how did he do this? With NONVIOLENCE! Who else campaigned for these rights? Malcom X. But who considers him a hero? What did he stand for? VIOLENCE! Seems the nonviolent win out even for 13-24 year old children! And what does the Bible say about out of the mouth of Babes?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
The Associated Press and MTV recently did an extensive survey with 1,280 young people between the ages 13-24. They asked them 100 questions about what in life makes them happy. Nearly three-quarters of young people said their relationship with their parents makes them happy. The leading answer as to who they considered to be their hero was answered as either their mom, dad, or both parents. But when it came to a person outside this circle the leading answer was Martin Luther King Jr. Now what is Martin known for? Uhm, his stance for civil rights. And how did he do this? With NONVIOLENCE! Who else campaigned for these rights? Malcom X. But who considers him a hero? What did he stand for? VIOLENCE! Seems the nonviolent win out even for 13-24 year old children! And what does the Bible say about out of the mouth of Babes?
Very good.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
The Associated Press and MTV recently did an extensive survey with 1,280 young people between the ages 13-24. They asked them 100 questions about what in life makes them happy. Nearly three-quarters of young people said their relationship with their parents makes them happy. The leading answer as to who they considered to be their hero was answered as either their mom, dad, or both parents. But when it came to a person outside this circle the leading answer was Martin Luther King Jr. Now what is Martin known for? Uhm, his stance for civil rights. And how did he do this? With NONVIOLENCE! Who else campaigned for these rights? Malcom X. But who considers him a hero? What did he stand for? VIOLENCE! Seems the nonviolent win out even for 13-24 year old children! And what does the Bible say about out of the mouth of Babes?
I'd like you to prove that those children made that choice because MLKJ was non-violent.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I'd like you to prove that those children made that choice because MLKJ was non-violent.
Try clicking on the link.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
I'd like you to prove that those children made that choice because MLKJ was non-violent.
Sister, that is what he is known for. Read your history.
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Timmy, you are not answering this. Of course this IS about Jesus. My question concerns His birth. This came from His OT plan. Look again. You need to look up what the Law and the Law Giver--Jesus--said about the Law. Look again, Timmy.
What am I not answering? I answered your question about Joseph. But I don't see the relevance to my question about example.
You are Oneness, aren't you? You do believe that Jesus = God, throughout the NT and OT, don't you? You said Jesus is our example in all things. Well, is he always our example, or is he not? If not, how can we tell when he is and when he is not?
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